Turning Canned Cycles and Fusion?

[LibertyMachine]

After a bunch of searching on this forum as well as the Post Processor forum, I've come to the realization that there isn't much in the way of support for Turning Canned Cycles, such as OD/ID Roughing or Finish canned cycles, threading, grooving so on and so forth.

Question is this: Is this a function of the Fusion software, or is it current limitations of the Post Processor?

If it is software, where does it land on the development roadmap?

While I do not currently own a CNC lathe, I was trying to get some code out for my employer (day job) and I ran into that unexpected limitation. 

Comments from the developers?

Side note: if one was to buy an older used CNC lathe, the memory capacity could very quickly be absorbed by a program of medium complexity, assuming more than a few tools. Yeah yeah yeah...drip feed.

[al.whatmough · Accepted solution]

Canned Cycles for turning is something in our backlog.  

However, it is not at the top of the list.

[LibertyMachine]

@al.whatmough

Thanks for the quick answer. I figured it wasn't on the immediate horizon, but it never hurts to ask!

Fortunately, it has little impact to me, as I don't yet have a lathe 

But next year......

[RobSinglehurst]

Just wondering if the status of canned cycles for turning is still the same?

[Anonymous]

how to use cnc lathe turning canned cycle like G70,G71,G72,G73,G75,G76 in fusion 360.

[lolplay.pf]

I think it would be way better if we could program with canned cycles. For an example, if i want to change a depth of cut i could chanche it in the cycle right on the control and i would not have to repost the entire program

[mlangN8XKB]

I think you guys might want to revisit the use of canned cycles as a priority. In my shop the lack thereof is a major impediment to the adoption of fusion for our lathe programming.

I doubt I'm alone here.

[VPM360]

For a production shop, canned cycles do not have much of a bearing on ease of operation. Once a job is setup, and a program posted and tweaked, there are not very many variables that might effect the programs usefulness. However, to get to that point requires precise knowledge of material variation, and cutting parameters that work well for the material, setup and tools being used. The time required to do all that is acceptable for a production machine shop. However, for us little job shops that are innumerable, that make only one of those, ten of these, that kind of time is not really and acceptable loss. Pieces of material are often varying in size. Maybe their all the same this time, maybe next time it happens to be different. Quickly editing canned cycles is at most a 5 minute modification, that doesn't potentially effect any other performance edits already made. Editing in CAM and reposting may require twice that in additional edits after the change for the original reason for reposting. Do I still use it? Because I can't quite justify the price of a good CAM software. Not yet anyway. If I could I would! The Small Job Shops that could really benefit from this in the real world that don't know how to use forums to express their troubles are many. Pleas help us out.

[Steinwerks]

Interestingly enough I believe I have a solution to canned cycles but I have not attempted implementing it yet. This should be possible through the post by pulling the information from the toolpath, but may be a bit tricky in terms of setting it up, requiring either a separate roughing and finishing path, or more information stored elsewhere either in the tool or using other tricks such as a comment preceding the toolpath (or even values in the toolpath name itself).

As of right now, it's simply conceptual for me.

[randyT9V9C]

@LibertyMachine hit the nail on the head. In addition to using less memory, canned cycles are generally faster to execute with better look ahead, especially when using DNC, often resulting in better finishes. Add my vote for canned cycles. 🙂

[HughesTooling]

@Steinwerks It shouldn't be too difficult using one op.

If you set the tool up as tip centre and in control comp in the op you just need to ignore everything apart from the finish cut also ignore all leads. Here's what's posted for this simple part.

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And this is what's in the Dump file, all info for roughing step down is in the dump file. It shouldn't be too difficult to just output nothing until you reach onMovement(14 /*finish cut*/). Don't have time to look into this at the moment but doesn't seem too hard to achieve.

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[mlangN8XKB]

It's not just small job shops. We're a 20 000 square foot shop with 20 employees and we are in the same boat. We do low volume high mix work and our return work see's constant revisions. 20 parts is a large run.

You can only post close and let the guys at the machine tweak it in.

No canned cycles kills it for us.

[Anonymous]

Same here, our turners are hugely unhappy that the programs created in HSM are not using canned cycles

[akash.kamoolkar]

Just to update everyone, adding canned cycles to turning is currently extremely high on our priority list. We are already working on adding certain fundamental concepts to the turning module such as adding new turning strategies that will be parameterized in a way that is consistent with canned cycles. this will eventually help us get to a place where we can then implement canned cycles.

Regards,

Akash Kamoolkar

[Anonymous]

Glad to hear it.

there is much that should be improved on turning within hsm! (Tools, strategies, options etc... milling in hsm is good in my opinion but turning needs improving) 

[akash.kamoolkar]

@Anonymous

We're on it. We're a (somewhat) brand new turning development team (previously the PartMaker and FeatureCAM development team) who's been working on improving the turning module in Fusion for about 9 months now. If you need more information on what we've been adding to Fusion or what's coming down the pipeline please direct message me.

Regards,

Akash Kamoolkar

[VPM360]

Fusion Team,

Just wanting to let you know that this is vastly exciting and encouraging to hear. So glad that this has finally made it to a priority level. Thanks for the update on where this is at. I for one am excited to be able to use canned cycles again and am glad that the turning "module" is being revamped. you guys have done well else where, and I am looking forward to what you bring to the software with this advancement.

[andrew.todd1]

Hi Akash

Any update on this?

Thanks

[akash.kamoolkar]

@andrew.todd1 

We're currently actively working on this task. Unfortunately I am not in a position to let you know when it will be released.

Regards,

Akash Kamoolkar

[andrew.todd1]

Thank you Akash!