Sinusoidal tracing - cannot figure this one out.

Sinusoidal tracing - cannot figure this one out.

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Sinusoidal tracing - cannot figure this one out.

Anonymous
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Hello team,

 

I'm trying to trace around the surface of this sinusoidal shape.. The 2D trace function works great, but the machine will crash all around..

 

braydendevito_0-1612550595358.png

 

 

I'm trying to utilize a 4th axis (rotary) to keep the tool orientation normal to the apex of the surface..

 

I have the rotary extension for Fusion 360, but this doesn't seem to be the solution either.

Check out the file I've attached, as well as a video


I appreciate all of your help.

 

Thanks!

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It works as expected, Trace by definition does not drive A axis, it only follows contour in Z levels, so if contour leads to bottom of model, tool crashes thru model to get to it, there is no wrap option in trace strategy and lines can only be used as tool orientations, resulting in indexing of A axis for each segment between two lines,....... if tool can do undercut.

 

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Hi @Anonymous 

You've helped me understand this before - hence the lines I drew on the back side like you showed me on a previous project!

 

Is it possible to use the multiple trace segment method you showed me with this geometry? I was having problems wrapping my head around this 😉

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So using form tool similar to single point threading mill and having 45 degree angle does not work to undercut by selecting inner or outer edge.

Wrap doesn't work with either side of cylinder selected so there may be an option to create dummy body inside tube and use that as wrap cylinder,.... trying to figure it out.

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Ah, wasn't thinking,..... wrap works when you split ring to allow unwrapping but i got stuck in my form tool being way bigger then model.

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@Anonymous

 

I used solidworks Cavity feature to make the "negative" of the previous shape..

Does the attached model help to use as a dummy body?

 

braydendevito_0-1612555390647.png

 

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No, the trick in wrapping on cylinder has to do with providing break in circle, otherwise it's continuous loop and tool path fails, I just wasn't thinking earlier.

After having lunch and some more chiseling I came up with something but it needs further refinement. 

I assume this is detail of more complex part and you cannot set it in line with Z axis and use 3D strategy with ball end mill.

Here is my last attempt, it depends on actual tool configuration you have, as programmed you would have to adjust X axis offset in machine to bring it to size.

2021-02-05 13_01_35-Autodesk Fusion 360.png

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Model was slightly misaligned and I think I fixed that, surface you want to cut was created using spherical ball as cut toll so I come to realize that my form tool is useless.

If you have to do it on 4th axis, your only option is to use small slot cutter with radius on both edges and use tool orientation to index A axis in increments of about 45 degrees, each time machining segment between to sketch lines until done. 

 

Here is what it looks like if you line up bore with Z axis and use Blend with ball end mill.

 

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@AnonymousThis was pretty awesome! Thanks for spending all this time on this wacky part..

 

BLEND?

It says my license does not allow editing of this file... are you on a Beta or something?

Thanks again.

 

Brayden

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This is not funny any more, it seems that doing any kind of undercut in 3D is impossible. What is possible in real life is not possible in Fusion even though I made undercuts inside bores before using Flow and lollypop tool.

Tried to use it with Blend and message comes up ......  "not valid tool for milling" ..... really !? ... that's gibberish.

Here is a file showing internal chamfer done with lollipop tool and Flow.

 

2021-02-05 16_52_11-Autodesk Fusion 360.png

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Well, I am off work today so I am spending time messing with many things including your issue, Blend won't do you any good on this one but you can turn it on in preferences for future use assuming you are on commercial license.

It seems that all 3D strategies are focused on external features, difficult to do any undercutting due to mixed bag of conditions.

 

Edit;

I was not able to use Blend to undercut in 4th axis setup. I split surface in 4 sections and nothing I tried would produce tool path for one section, even tried imprting tool path from working file and adopting settings to your model, nothing.

 

2021-02-05 16_54_37-Preferences.png

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@Anonymous 

Got it! Sweet.

 

I'm new to Fusion360 coming from FeatureCAM so its a bit of a learning curve..

Turns out some features flat out don't work on Fusion360 yet 😕 so that kind of makes it difficult to know if I'm doing it wrong or if its just broken in general.

 

I've learned a lot with your files as usual and I really appreciate it.

 

This part was "successfully" processed on my Laser welding machine using coordinate variables and "teach points" which is basically indexing the A axis and recording X,Z, A positions then splining them all together after... It was really sloppy and unacceptable in my opinion so it was burning a hole in my brain to know how to program it using Fusion 360.. (the right way?)

 

I think the closest thing I'm going to get to what I need to do is using the trace function and splitting them into portions with different head alignments.... many many portions for more resolution.

 

I just could not for the life of me figure out how to separate the contours using your line method because of its 3D nature.

 

GRAZIE GRAZIE as always.

Brayden

 

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At times we are presented with small section of larger part so it's hard to tell what poster is really up to. In this case I find it impossible to come up with accurate tool path using 4th axis but if part is set in line with Z axis you have good solution using Blend and likely few other 3D strategies.

I often take up a challenge I personally will never be in position to deal with at work, it's just building onto what I already know about running Fusion and it comes handy on less complicated tasks.

I agree about not knowing if t's Fusion or lagging in skills when things don't add up, I have never before used software that has so much stuff mixed in and being updated monthly so all theories are probably true to a degree.

If practise makes perfect, time spent poking with Fusion can only be beneficial in future projects.