Reorder to Minimize Tool Changes no longer working?
Please calm down, it does work, do as @fr33l0ad3r advises and all will be well, there was posting on the original thread only a few days ago 🙂
Look under the "Operations" tab.
Here again is the Fusion example file that was uploaded before for you to look at and play around with, it is a bit different but not too hard to learn 🙂 🙂
Forgot to mention, when you come to run the simulation/generate code if you click on the "NC Program" that is created then the simulation will run in the order set in the "Operations tab, not the order in the "Browser" in Manufacture, neat 🙂 🙂
Stay Safe
Regards
Rob
Dear engineguy
Thank you for your response and sorry for my late reply. I've already tried "NC Program" but the "Reorder to Minimize Tool Changes" checkbox doesn't do anything as you can see in the attached screenshot. I've marked the different tools in different colours so that it's easier to recognise the pattern.
In previous versions of Fusion 360 it worked flawlessly. Am I still doing something wrong here?
Thanks for your support and kind regards.
Patirk
Thank you for the fast respond.
I attached the file so you can check it.
Before the reordering tool feature was broken ordering for same block for all offsets was approximately next:
1 - rough milling
2 - fine milling
3 - drilling holes
4 - chamfers
5 - threads
Now everything is messed.
This feature worked perfectly some time ago but now it works only for couple of first tools and thats all.
Please look on a google result for Autodesk forum, a lot of people faced with this problem an it is not solved yet.
@Anonymous
I removed all chamfers and renamed wcs so this can not be an argument anymore. (new file is attached)
The problem didnt disappear. I made couple of screenshots, maybe with them it will be more clear what I mean.
Pic.1 is an operation list without reordering, lets use it for reference.
If you look at Pic.2 you should see that after I turned reordering feature on Fusion grouped operations with tool #1 and #4, that is right!!! But it didnt group operations with tool #19 and also with tool #10, why?
I also attach Pic.3 where you can see how operations can be grouped to call each tool only once and reduce the cycle time. It wasnt generated by Fusion 360 , I made it in Paint.
Less than one year ago Fusion generated operation list like on a Pic. 3, now it generates like on a Pic. 2. You think this is ok?
Aplogies for delay responding.
I can not see anyway that I can convince you that you are using the software incorrectly, in your example file you are machining all 6 sides of the part which cannot be done in reality, there are occasions where a certain operation has to be carried out before certain others can be done and Fusion knows this and sets things out as best it can accordingly.
The user is supposed to use the NC Program system to select operations from whichever setup they desire in order to have operations carried out in the correct order, not as they may appear in the Browser. Your example file does not appear to have any such selections done.
Ideally on that example file the whole of the Browser Tree would be broken down into possibly 3 or even 4 NC Programs in order to achieve the correct "Groupings" for the machine (3 Axis??) to cut correctly without crashes, the first Setup would be as per the Browser tree so in the NC Program the operations you would only select that Setup as per the image below, there is no point selecting the other 3 setups because you are not able to machine them.
If you are using a Horizontal Mill with a B axis then you could machine 5 of the 6 sides, then you would need to "check/uncheck" operations to get them machined correctly in order, your example file would require this from you.
As you can see in the second image below the grouping is again correct, you have #T1 doing both the Face and 2 Chamfer passes, Fusion has grouped them together correctly.
Here is a link where you will see that it does say the user is supposed to check/uncheck operations as required to create an NC Program.
https://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/?guid=MFG-POST-PROCESS-NC-PROGRAM
Please Note, Paragraph 6 in particular
Works fine here, in the image below is how I would expect the part to be made on a 3 Axis Vertical Machine Centre.
It is only a "representation" of how it would be on the bed of the mill, no vises or fixtures have been added for speed of creation. Was done using 3 Setups. (I hadn`t seen that!!)
I am afraid that I cannot take any credit for this as I gave it to a 19 year old Trainee who has only 7 months experience on the Shop floor and on the software, not great but the youngster did reasonably well considering!!
First image is of what we would consider a practical layout, second image is of the NC Program with no re-ordering and the third image is of the NC Program with the re-ordering enabled, looks OK to me, no operations were moved in the Browser tree, just selected on each part as per tool. This is working as I would expect with this type of layout on a 3 Axis VMC, like you I have done this type of machhining many, many times, this system and the software works for me so I am happy with it 🙂
As you can see all the #T19 tools are grouped together, all the #T1 tools the same and the rest seem OK as well.
My apologies if this is not what you are asking for, it is the youngsters "best guess" as she put it 🙂
Your trainee guessed right. Pretty good for 7 months of experience!!
She deleted G57 but it doesnt really matter.
My table looks approximately like this:
From pictures you sent me I see that reordering works fine for you. The question is why it does not work for me?
I tried to install Fusion on two computers and on both reordering does not work properly.