Machine Simulation In Fusion 360

[Aadithya01]

Hey Guys,

I work as an application engineer . Till now I have been working with 3 axis with Fusion 360 for benchmark which has been really successful. And now our company has started to focus for Fusion 360 ultimate . And during the training I noticed that the Ultimate software doesn't have simulation with the entire machine like HSMworks , SolidCAM as referred to the image below.

Yes the entire machine has to simulate . Especially this will be useful to visualize 4th and 5th axis strategies in the software . Cause the simulation seen in Ultimate especially the 4th axis wrapping strategie's simulation are quite misguiding . Couldn't figure out whether the indexer is rotating or the tool is revolving around the component.

Kindly try to bring this in Fusion 360 Ultimate as early as possible . Looking forward for a great update of this feature 

 

[LibertyMachine]

HSMWorks utilizes simulation software that's internal to SolidWorks. InventorHSM and Fusion 360 employ third party licensed software. I'm not aware of any developments to bring a more powerful solution into either product. I'm sure it's somewhere on the forecast, but it could very well be off in the form of Years.

@jeff.pek @al.whatmough, is there anything that should be added to my comments? Or do I have this all wrong?

For the 4 and 5 axis, I agree, it's rough. Knowing if you are going to clear is little better than a crap shoot. You end up relying on the knowledge and awareness of the programmer, more than you do the software. Potential for scary stuff.

[jeff.pek]

Thanks, Seth. We definitely want to bring machine simulation into Fusion. This is definitely on the roadmap. While I can't give a precise timeframe, I hope that we beat your estimate!

  Jeff

[Steinwerks]

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@LibertyMachine wrote:

HSMWorks utilizes simulation software that's internal to SolidWorks. InventorHSM and Fusion 360 employ third party licensed software.

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I am almost certain it's the other way around. I do know for a fact that the 'Stock Simulation' mode in HSMWorks is licensed which is why it is not found in the free HSMXpress addin.

@jeff.pek could you clarify on Fusion and InvHSM? I thought these were Autodesk developed, but I don't want to keep parroting incorrect information if I'm wrong.

I will add that at least in 5-axis (especially simultaneous) I have seen it highly recommended to rely on a third party package such as Vericut that uses machine simulation with the actual G-code. After all, if the post interprets angles differently, the machine sim can be very different from the file once it's posted.

[jeff.pek]

Stock simulation in all 3 products uses the same technology -- some internal and some licensed.

Machine simulation -- where we show the machine and tool moving -- used different technology.

Jeff

[Steinwerks]

Thanks for the clarification Jeff.

Also I want to express my appreciation on your involvement on a Sunday! 

[Aadithya01]

@Steinwerks@jeff.pek@LibertyMachine Hey first of all thankyou so much for your involvement especially on a weekend . Everything is fine I will go ahead and post it in the ideastation . Please

support the idea for Machine Simulation in Fusion 360 Ultimate . 

[Aadithya01]

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideastation-request-a-feature-or/machine-simulation-in-fusion-360-ulti...

Hey @LibertyMachine@Steinwerks@jeff.pek . The above is the ideastation link where I had posted the opinion to bring Machine Simulation In Fusion 360 ultimate. Kindly please support the idea if you really like my opinion. 

[LibertyMachine]

As I move into more challenging setups, I am really starting to wish for machine sim, so I fully support that idea. However, if I may make a suggestion: Toss the idea on the HSM IdeaStation as well. @jeff.pek will probably archive the Fusion idea and redirect traffic to the HSM link.

The reason for putting it over there: A larger segment of CAM users who use both products (Inventor and Fusion) and the tech would benefit both platforms (although not likely at the same time)

[Aadithya01]

@LibertyMachine Definitely Seth Madore , 

I will toss the idea into the HSM ideastation too

[Anonymous]

Lastly in my job, we are getting focused in 4th and 5th axis machining and i'm trying to involve fusion 360 instead of mastercam2017

But the entire machine simulation is how mastercam beat fusion 360

I think is pretty much easier to programming using F360 but simulation is something really needed.

Hope and update!

Thanks

[galea_claudiu]

any progress on this feature? it would be a big succes for fusion.

[seth.madore]

It is actively being worked on and is a rather high priority for the related teams.

[galea_claudiu]

Can't wait. Great support from your Autodesk team. Fast reply and it's sunday.

[Anonymous]

@seth.madore  Where do we stand on machine sim in Fusion, now that Autodesk has acquired CamPlete? Will it be a manufacturing add on extension?

[seth.madore]

Machine Sim in Fusion was being worked on before the acquisition of CamPlete. I'm honestly not sure what the plans are for integration, and even if I was, I'd likely get fired on the spot for even suggesting what they are 🙂

[Anonymous]

*in Frodo Baggins' voice*

Alright then, keep your secrets. 

LOL

Can you tell us if it'll be here before summer 2021?

[Magnus.BimexSweden]

Yeah sitting here with our UMC-500 and on the verge of buying camplete when they announced that they accuired it. holding my breath now (co2-levels rising fast...) waiting for some sort of announcement, the integration of some of the power-mill stuff was quite fast so lets hope for quick integration of camplete...

[Anonymous]

@Magnus.BimexSweden I have found that if in Fusion 360, you have your tool, and holder and stickout modeled correctly, as well as your stock, and vice/workholding setup modeled correct as well, the collision detection and verification through Fusion has been more than acceptable for us. We're a small job shop, and tossed the idea of buying PowerMill or CAMPlete around as well. But couldnt justify spending another 10k+ bucks on verification software. PowerMill is well, too powerful in my opinion for our shop to justify the cost just for machine sim.

We've decided that feed hold buttons are cheaper than a new spindle LOL

Were doing stuff so much faster on the UMC-500, even at 25% rapids, and baby stepping through a program is still almost faster than how we were before.

[Magnus.BimexSweden]

@Anonymous yeah we work in the same way, same premice and setups.  i've also added the spindlenose on the toolholders just to be a bit more sure (saved me a couple times already), only mess-up have been from a dog-leg-G0-move wich resulted in a nick (this was not shown in fusion simulation becuase of tcpc), however a good machine-simulation would be nice to have added to save some puckering 😃