Look how bad your 2500 dollar app is

Look how bad your 2500 dollar app is

mshaynerush
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Look how bad your 2500 dollar app is

mshaynerush
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I made what should be quite a simple part would be. Fusion360 can't deliver for $2500, which is 1.5 months of salary

 

If  you can tell me what operation and settings to use great. I would prefer you just tell me instead of asking me what i did because I tried literally every 3D operation. 

 

Image0 is what your program actually cut. the other two are what you told me you would do.

 

I'm kinda upset.

 

 

 

@mshaynerushthis post has been edited due to Community Rules & Etiquette violation 

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jhackney1972
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You need to attach your model so someone can see what you did or did not do.  

 

If you do not know how to attach your Fusion 360 model follow these easy steps. Open the model in Fusion 360, select the File menu, then Export and save as a F3D or F3Z file to your hard drive. Then use the Attachments section, of a forum post, to attach it. If needed, ZIP a F3Z file.

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mshaynerush
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I gave you an image. Seems like you could give direction based on that.

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mshaynerush
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if youre not employed by autodesk im sorry. . But i shared 3 images. One was the model. One was the adaptove clearing and one was what actually happened. It is as if fusion 360 adds to the top of the oiece instead of cutting into it. Like z zero is the lowest Point, wtf? That makes literally zero sense since the Origin was stock top corner, which is the top of my actual piece. But it physically curs as though atock top os the lowest part

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a.laasW8M6T
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Hi

 

Adaptive is great for roughing out parts but is not a suitable finishing toolpath.

The issue you are seeing could be due to a few factors, it could be the WCS is different between Fusion and machine, it is up to you to set this correctly.

Being that this appears to be a hobby grade machine, a common issue with these is getting lost steps with the stepper motors due to too much axis load, make sure your cut parameters are within the capabilities of your machine

 

Parallel would work great here for finishing, set the settings like this in geometry:

alaasW8M6T_0-1777849611809.png

 

Stepover will depend on the finish required.

 

Make sure to leave Some stock in the adaptive toolpath or it will not clean up correctly with the parallel

Andrew Laas
Senior Machinist, Scott Automation


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mshaynerush
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Adaptive it’s the first thing I wanna do is remove 4 mm of material from top to bottom and I don’t want to use the finishing pass for that because I don’t want the whole path that I’m trying to cut to be finished. I only want a certain portion of it we will finishing path for later..

 

The problem is that if I use this particular adaptive and all it does is it seems to add 4 mm to the top of my piece even though I selected my origin at the top of the stock with the impression that it would go down from the top of the stock to the lowest portion of the face on the model that I’m using instead what it does it bounces up 4 mm up off of zero and then it cuts down to where the face is barely touched. look at the Images I posted you will notice that there are free. One is the actual model in Antarctica. The second is the actual tool Pads that fusion 360 tells me it’s going to cut and then there is a real life version of what it actually cut you pay attention to the real life image. Going forward up to the point where it should be wrapping up with these where it stopped cutting in a flat all the way down there without even considering the curve for me even though the actual path that fusion 367 would actually cut the curve for sure she did not do. I also had them add an extra 4 mm of offset from the bottom in order for it to cut like this so what’s happening is fusion 360 you cannot make the model that I posted. It cannot make the model that I posted no path that I use, including roughing and finishing passes would be able to create that I tried about five different things before I contacted Community. I tried to tap him. I tried slow. I tried scallop I I tried flow. I tried scallop and I tried pocket. They’re literally none of them will create that I posted which is insane because the model I posted is extremely simple

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mshaynerush
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I will try your settings thank hou!

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a.laasW8M6T
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I suspect there are some incorrect selections in you setup/toolpaths but its not easy to offer further guidance without the fusion file.

 

I understand your frustrated but blaming the software is bold, Considering I machine parts significantly more complex than that with no issues on a daily basis.

 

Have you gone through the self paced learning for CAM? that's where I would start

alaasW8M6T_0-1777850692862.png

 

 

Andrew Laas
Senior Machinist, Scott Automation


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mshaynerush
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I would think you could look at just the model and tell me what you would do to accomplish it. Nothing ive tried does it 5(2 frustration is that i can make this in an open source app easily and fusion, $2500 more, cant easily do it. 

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seth.madore
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There's an almost endless amount of combinations you could set that would give results like what you're seeing. For the best chance at us helping you out, please share your file.

File > Export > Save to local folder, return to thread and attach the .f3d/.f3z file in your reply.

 

It's 99.999% not the software


Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing


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mshaynerush
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The same time if I use it over to make this exact same profile and use the pass available there it’s trivial. So I don’t know how 2500 program can require so many different issues whereas a free program can accomplish this. Now I’m not saying that I can’t use a free program, but I already created this infusion thinking that the Dollar attached to it would mean that it would actually produce the things that it says it could produce, even though I drew this in fusion and it can’t reproduce its own drawing. I just I don’t see the hobby aspect of this being a factor since I have never had a problem with any other program. I’ve used outside of this one

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mshaynerush
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How could there be endless ways to do this with a program that cost $2500? There should be one way where I could just select the path and the operation and have it defaulted just follow the path. Other programs can do this reasonably well without any extra settings.

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seth.madore
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Ok, suit yourself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 


Seth Madore
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matty.fuller
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Best advice is to stop taking your frustration out on the software, which is running successfully for many thousands of users. Saying Fusion "can't do it" is wrong and not productive, it can do this and substantially more.

 

It looks like you almost certainly have issues at the machine, and based on your description it may be based on incorrect tool length offsets. Can you share the make/model of your machine and control, what post processor you are using, and a copy  of the posted NC code? You can also try backplotting the NC in https://ncviewer.com/ to help diagnose any issues.

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mshaynerush
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oh it’s not running successfully. I’ve used other software that can accomplish it just fine. I wanted to get fusion 360 a chance. It failed so miserably it blows my mind that they want $2500 for this. I’m not an idiot and this isn’t my first program, but thanks for your input

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seth.madore
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@mshaynerush wrote:

oh it’s not running successfully. I’ve used other software that can accomplish it just fine. I wanted to get fusion 360 a chance. It failed so miserably it blows my mind that they want $2500 for this. I’m not an idiot and this isn’t my first program, but thanks for your input


Oh for sure, no one is suggesting you are!

Point of clarification; it's only $2500 if you also get the Machining Extension, which is certainly not needed for 3 axis work, the base program is around $650

 

And yes, it certainly can do exactly what you're looking for. But, without seeing the file or the g-code, we can't give you pointers on what to change. We can guess wildly, but it'd really just be easier if you shared the file (and a heck of a lot quicker)


Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing


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mshaynerush
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650 definitely better. Still, the thing is, i have created all my other paths from the same starting point and only this one cant be done. 

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mshaynerush
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Curious. Why cant you tell me what operation to use? Couldnt you make that model without seeing my file? 

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seth.madore
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Where is your WCS set in Fusion? 

Where is it set in the machine?
Do you have the proper height offset, both in Fusion and the machine?

How have you defined your Stock?
What are your Heights set to in the toolpath?

What sort of finish are you actually looking for?


Seth Madore
Customer Advocacy Manager - Manufacturing


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mshaynerush
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Im. It trying to be rude. But i am hoping to see what someone else would do without trying to correct rme. For one, ive tried every setting. For two, if you had an approach it might help me and there would be no input from me which is obviously bad.

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