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board and schematic are not consistent, no forward back annotation will be

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Message 1 of 13
CaptainMJ
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board and schematic are not consistent, no forward back annotation will be

Hi All, after having troubles with the link between Fusion and Eagle i decided to import my schema in Fusion in Electronics Design and stop using Eagle altogether. I also added the PCB card that i had designed in Fusion to the electronic design. I can now click the switch button and it correctly switches between my PCB Card (no components) and my Schema. However the PCB Card is empty with no components due to this error "board and schematic are not consistent, no forward back annotation will be ". I am not interested in the old PCB component layout i had in Eagle and i did not import it to Fusion, only imported the schema.

 

My question is from my imported schema in Fusion how do get my components populated on the PCB card I designed. Or in other words how do i resolve this error "board and schematic are not consistent, no forward back annotation will be  performed"?

 

Many thanks,

Marcus

Best Regards,
Marcus
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Message 2 of 13
CaptainMJ
in reply to: CaptainMJ

As an alternative i tried to create a new PCB from the schema, but that PCB is not possible to edit using the Fusion sketch, there seems noway to edit it as a sketch. I am only able to use same very basic editing features for the PCB as you can in Eagle. So that didn't work either.

Best Regards,
Marcus
Message 3 of 13
dom.Wickins
in reply to: CaptainMJ

Second this, same problem.

 

I can copy and paste the 2D board in a new board created from scheamtic in order to see all parts but obviously then i don't retain sketch history.

 

Don't see any option to import an existing board design/file from the schematic. I don't see any option to view/edit existing links/relations between a board and schematic etc (if that is the problem here). You'd think by right clicking the schematic in the electronics project and selecting "link PCB" it would do this.....

 

When it throws the error about "board and schematic are not consistent" and i click "more info" nothing seems to happen and i don't get more info.

 

Maybe i'm missing something obvious yet again or maybe this is another feature not implemented yet?

Message 4 of 13
CaptainMJ
in reply to: dom.Wickins

I did some more experimenting based on some information i found in the support group. So if you create a custom 3D PCB from a sketch. Then in Electronic Design create a new PCB from your schema, save it. Then go back to your own 3D PCB design and choose link, select the auto generated PCB you made from the schema, this actually seems to work. Not sure what abilities you have in editing it again, but at least one step closer.

Best Regards,
Marcus
Message 5 of 13
dom.Wickins
in reply to: CaptainMJ

 

@CaptainMJ Thanks for the info. I can kind of get this to work but then if i open up any previous file with what i assume has prior references or relations things seem to go a bit nuts. Haven't checked sketch functionality yet. Also if you open up a 3D board with an existing link to a 2D board the option to link is then greyed out and you don't seem to be able to use it.... man, i miss solidworks 😞

 

It's a cool trick but this surely can't be the only or correct way to do this, right?

 
Message 6 of 13
jorge_garcia2
in reply to: CaptainMJ

Hello @CaptainMJ,

If you are OK with losing the layout just trash the board and make a new one from the schematic. If you want to preserve the layout, then run the ERC it will give you a list of consistency errors. Correct the errors and run the ERC again. If everything is OK you'll see consistency restored. From that point on changes in one will track to the other as long as you keep the schematic and the board open.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,


Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

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Message 7 of 13
CaptainMJ
in reply to: jorge_garcia2

Thanks for the reply, the issue was you cannot link the schema directly to the 3D PCB but need to create a PCB from schema and then link from the PCB card. Got it working now, thanks!

Best Regards,
Marcus
Message 8 of 13
shawn3WMTV
in reply to: CaptainMJ

I get this issue all the time and have limited success fixing it. Even when I remove all the links to the PCBs, I can never delete the PCB from the cloud as Fusion complains that they are still referenced by other designs.

 

I hope these issue get fixed in a future release. I think its almost unusable at the moment.

 

Message 9 of 13
dom.Wickins
in reply to: shawn3WMTV

Completely agree, there's also the fear of accidently hitting that "update file to the latest version" button accidentally ... and because you don't seem to be able to edit a files links it could potentially wipe hours (or months) of work, without you realising!!!, this situation isn't helped by fusions stange naming covention and even stranger file version naming. Either it's not intuitive or i'm an idiot.

 

Just to say i think this fusion electronics thing is a great idea, trying to use eagle in 2020 is like going into the dark ages... i couldn't believe a grid system was the default widely used arrangment standard 😮 ..... just don't think it's ready for prime time yet

 

Message 10 of 13
jorge_garcia2
in reply to: shawn3WMTV

Hi Guys,

Yeah we are working on these issues. Stay tuned.

In the mean time, a couple of tips to make things manageable
- Always save from the Electronics Design Document, that will cascade the save to the open schematic and board
- Always keep the schematic document and the PCB document open together at all times so that changes can track between one and the other.
- If you do find that the schematic and board are out of sync run the ERC to get a list of the consistency errors and correct them. Once they are all corrected run the ERC again and you should find that the consistency has been restored. Whatever you have to do to get consistency back do it. Only once it has been restored can you continue to work moving forward.

Deleting Files in Fusion360 is going to be tricky because you can't delete objects referenced by other objects. So you can't delete a board because it's referenced by an electronics document, so you have to delete the electronics document first and then you can delete the board. Depending on the number of versions and the relationships between them things get messy. For the moment your best option is to archive them so they are out of the way.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,


Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

Kudos are much appreciated if the information I have shared is helpful to you and/or others.

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Message 11 of 13
shawn3WMTV
in reply to: jorge_garcia2

There needs to be a way to delete the link to the 2D PCB from the 3D pcb. you can only do the reverse. I can remove the 3D pcb link from the 2D but not the other way around so I end up with a situation where I can not delete either of those files because the 3D PCB always uses the 2D. In the explorer the 2D has no used in, or uses entries. But the 3D uses the 2D.

 

I can delete all link to the schematic so at least I can start the PCB from scratch and not lose the schematic design.

 

The ERC just ends up saying every part is out of sync, and I have not found any way to fix this. Like you said, the best way is to save the electronic design overview. I am sure if I consistently did this I would not run into issues. But ever now and then I forget and save just the PCB or just the schematic, and that seems to break the entire project with no way of fixing it. (except unlinking the PCB from schematic and starting over ad having these abondoned PCB files lying around)

 

Message 12 of 13
einstien
in reply to: CaptainMJ

I am having this same problem.  I made a couple of value changes and added 2 resistors.  For some reason, it lost the consistency.  So I figured delete the parts.  That just made things worse.  Then it started getting that components connections that I did not even touch did not match.  The more I fixed the worse it is getting.  So now I am going to have to spend the next 6 hours do another board layout from scratch.  

 

If I can make a suggestion, when consistency errors arise, let the user pick the correct version of the two and push those changes to the other.  IF new parts are there put them off the board like a new board out.  

 

Thank You.

Rich

 

Message 13 of 13
jorge_garcia2
in reply to: CaptainMJ

Hi @einstien,

 

I hope you're doing well. Thank you for the suggestion, for now when you lose consistency the first thing to do is run the ERC. This will let you know what the inconsistencies are, these must be correct before you do anything else otherwise as you have discovered you will just bury yourself deeper into a hole. The ERC is your guide, once you've corrected the inconsistencies the ERC will tell you that they are consistent and you can continue working from there.

 

Best Regards,



Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

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