A few super annoying things with version 2702.1.58 arm64 (Native)

[jesper8W75R]

I've been staying away from here to keep my frustration to a minimum level.
I have collected tens, if not hundreds of minor bugs during the last couple of years, some have been fixed, most not. But I'm just not going to the trouble of reporting them, as I know they will just be ignored, as usual.

But a few things are driving me nuts daily, so I HAVE to bring them up.

1. Not a new bug in this version, but the tGlue layer gets activated randomly when I switch from schematic to board. I turn it off, and a little later, it's activated again. EXTREMELY annoying.

2. The new "Start-up experience" sucks so bad. It just dumps you in a totally unsorted mess of icons for projects, boards, schematics and 3dboards. With hundreds of projects, this is just insane.
If you try to escape that by selecting "Projects", it gets slightly better, and you get a "file manager" style list of projects and folders. Basically like the data panel was before, but extremely slow, because it now seems to fetch everything from the cloud and browsing and folder selection is at snail speed.
Also, WHY is there a drop down arrow for empty folders? And then showing "No subfolders".
There is a preferences option to set Fusion back to the original "Default Design Type".
It works, ONCE after you start Fusion. As soon as you close your project, you're dumped back into the new horrible "Home" page.

3. And while we're at preferences, the Defaults for the board editor grid don't 'stick'.
Every time, I have to open the grid window and click the "Default" button manually.
This bug has been around for ages.

4. When I click the Grid icon at the bottom, the window that is opened will has it's buttons outside my screen., because the window opens centered vertically on the icon. And as the icon is usually almost or at the bottom of my screen, half of the popup dialog is outside the screen.
This should be changed so the window will be restricted to the size of the Fusion Window. 
Or even better, aligned to the bottom of my  screen.

5. Very often the data panel are replaced with this:

This only happens after I have opened a project file, making it impossible to open more than one project at a time. 

6. Airwires are STILL disabled by default in the Selection Filter, making it difficult to route tracks.
I have to re-enable it every single time I open my board file. Not just once, for the project, but EVERY SINGLE TIME I OPEN THE BOARD.
I don't know who came up with this crazy idea to disable airwires (which were enabled in the old days), without an option to set it on or off by default.
When you do changes like that, please KEEP the existing functionality and make any new functionality selectable, if anyone would like to have it that way.
DON'T BREAK THINGS!

As I've said to many times before, it would be SO nice, if you would FIX BUGS first, and add stupid new useless features later.

[pal.szabo]

Autodesk,

Some additional info for point 1: updating the design from the libraries is what triggers tGlue to be switched on. Known issue for years... and a pretty annoying one, along with point 6.

The OP is not the only one who has given up on reporting bugs... the last one I reported more than a year ago is still not fixed. I know there were efforts to improve the bug fixing and giving feedback (closed loop bot), but I agree that more focus on ironing out reported issues would benefit everyone and we would have much more incentive to report them in the first place.

Best regards,

Paul

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @jesper8W75R and @pal.szabo ,

Thanks for the clarification on point 1. I have not been able to reproduce this tGlue turning on. I updated my libraries but switching between sch and board didn't turn on tGlue. Is there anything else you guys can think of that would allow us to reproduce. I'm not seeing it. Could it be related to something specific in the library? If either of you can get me a file, with lib that causes this to happen I'll make the ticket.

Issues 2 and 5 are Fusion Platform, so the electronics team doesn't have influence over it.

Issues 3 and 4 I'll make tickets for.

@jesper8W75R In regards to 6, you don't need to enable airwires in the selection filter. The route commands can only select airwires so having them off in the selection filter doesn't affect routing at all. Try it, you'll see you don't need to enable them in the selection filter. We disabled them by default because whenever you formed any sort of marquee selection they would always get selected and clutter up the selection of components or routes.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[jesper8W75R]

I think you misunderstand problem 6, Jorge
If you're not in routing mode, the absolutely fastest way to route is to right click an air-wire and select route.
If air-wires are disabled, you cannot do that.
You cannot even click the pads/tracks at each end of the air-wire to route, without first clicking the route icon to get into routing mode.
It only works if you're in routing mode.
While that's okay as long as you stay in routing mode, that's not how things normally work.
You flip between different modes and while having to move up to the top menu line to enable routing sounds simple, after 5000 times, it gets annoying.

My biggest annoyance with it though, is how it was changed from something that worked (think back to the EAGLE days) to something that is now more tedious.
Before, air-wires were always enabled. And, instead of making it an option to turn them off, you decided to BREAK the existing functionality and default them to off.
For a newcomer to Fusion, it's fine, but when you've been using EAGLE for 20+ years, this is an atrocity. 

For #1, I haven't really dived into exactly WHY and WHEN it happens, I just note that repeatedly, tGlue is on. I turn if off, keep working and a little later it's back again.
I'm not going to either, as I don't trust you to actually fix it.
As Paul, and many others have found out, adding new un-requested features seems more important than to fix bugs.
Admittedly, Fusion has come a long ways since the absolutely horrible first version, but still, there are unfixed bugs that I reported, what is it? 5? 6 years ago?
Even had a very nice chat with RH that promised to look at my long list of bugs and get them fixed.
Did it happen?
Nope.

[pal.szabo]

Hi @jorge_garcia ,

I sent you an email regarding #1 and how it occurs on my setup.

#6 seems to be feature rather than a bug then, so it's a different argument. I might add though, that my use-case is viewing which components/pads are connected with an airwire, using the 'Show' command. Quite useful on a cluttered board, either to optimize placement or plan the routing ahead. I have always found it strange that resetting the selection filter enables everything (like it used to in Eagle), but I still have to add the airwires manually. Also, as far as I know it is not possible to define a keyboard shortcut for that, so I'm forced to navigate to that panel and click manually. But again, this is a feature, not an unknown bug.

Best regards,

Paul

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @jesper8W75R ,

Over the years you've probably reported 100+ bugs and maybe more, while I won't claim that we have addressed all them we have fixed a lot of them. That's a big reason why Fusion as you yourself mention has come a long way. I'm sure you keep a running list, I'm happy to review it again and we can see what's missing.

I don't want to argue workflow because that is a personal preference, but I would lose my mind if I had to route by right-clicking airwires and selecting route. To me, clicking the route command and then routing a bunch of airwires is much faster and comfortable to me. Again, that's a preference thing so it's not something I can really argue. We have the R shortcut which you could use to get into the routing mode without having to click an icon, you can also setup your own if you prefer.

In regards to changing something that works. The Ford Model T worked but I wouldn't choose that over my Honda CR-V 😂. Having the selection filter include airwires by default was an issue for a lot of users and in many selection operations makes it difficult to act on the specific components or traces you want to deal with. It's not an issue for you, and I'm glad but it's a balance to try to make things fluid for the majority of users even if that means some users need to get used to a new workflow.

@pal.szabo 

Thank you for the files I'll investigate them today. The selection filter can be fully controlled through the CLI. See the info here

https://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/?guid=ECD-CLI-S#set

This would allow you to create a shortcut for this. 

Let me know if either of you need anything else from me.

Best Regards,

[MikeSmell_ADSK]

Hi @jesper8W75R  - 

For point number 2, we are actively making changes to bring back aspects of the legacy behavior. Please see my post here.

Thanks, 

Mike Smell

Sr. Principal Product Manager, Fusion

[jesper8W75R]

Thank you, @MikeSmell_ADSK. I read your post, and appreciate you commenting here.
Sounds good that you are returning the old, well working functionality.

But, your post also show one of the big issues with Fusion development. Someone came up with the idea of the "Home" behaviour. WHY is the big question. It adds NOTHING.
Furthermore, according to your post, people went ballistic over the loss of the data-panel. Me included.
Did you ever think about asking people what they want? Try to poll the support for new changes before implementing them? (I know there has been some polls in the Insider Group, but I admittedly don't follow that anymore).
At least you tried to make it configurable. But that was, of course, bugged.

Looking forward to see the results and getting back to how it was.

/Jesper