Solidworks vs F360

Solidworks vs F360

TimelesslyTiredYouth
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Solidworks vs F360

TimelesslyTiredYouth
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Hi, 

I'm a regular user of F360, however I was at a company for work experience today and I saw they use solidworks, something I've noticed recently with big companies is that they use solidworks. What is the main difference between solidworks and Fusion as I've seen a lot of people transition from solidworks to Fusion and which is better in those people's opinions.

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TrippyLighting
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@TimelesslyTiredYouth wrote:

... I've seen a lot of people transition from solidworks to Fusion and which is better in those people's opinions.


What industries are those people working in and what work do they do with Fusion?

Depending on what work a user does, Fusion provides great bang for the buck, or lacks essential capabilities.

 

For a user beginning with CAD IMHO the differences are not that big, as the main concepts around modeling are very similar. 

 

 

 

 

 


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TimelesslyTiredYouth
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I can never get a straight from you can I...

 

Right, so basically the only example ik personally is this small moterbike customisation company.

Let me reword what I said, I 've seen, but mainly heard of people tranitionion from ...

I've seen many threads on the forum about struggles with moving from solidworks to fusion and the many fumes and Fusion is trash posts.

So when I saw in my work experience that the company and the company they supply both use solidworks rather than fusion (and there decently large companies), it sparked a question in my mind whether solidworks is better in any way to fusion for me to learn in addition to solidworks for possible future applications.

Additionally I want to know how much of a change there are, around workflow wise, like with sketching and modelling wise. For example (Ik this would never happen) say in Fusion how as a rule of thumb you contrain then dimension, in solidworks you may dimension then constrain. 

Also why do people change, is Fusion the future, is solidworks the future? and where does each specialise.

And what if your not a complete begginer with CAD, specifically fusion (Because IMHO, I'd like to think I'm not a beginner)

 

oh yh with the first question what industry, the first industry is manufacturing, second is Aerospace and defence. And what do you mean it can lack essential capabilities. This links to my first question, for the users of both fusion and solidworks who transitioned, what are the main differences.

 

You worked for solidworks for 20+ years? if my memory doesn't mistake me, this is a very you based question Mr @TrippyLighting 

 

Kind regards

Ricky

 

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John_Wright
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A couple of quick question for you, based on "you can never give a straight answer"

 

What is better:

 

A pickup truck or a van?

 

A skateboard or a scooter?

 

A pen or a pencil

 

Different things for different applications....

 

Some light on companies changing. 

 

A great number of companies are/feel "stuck" on the sofware that they use. If you  have a huge library of models, files, standard parts, drawing etc that are tied to the there sofware. It is a HUGE task to migrate over from one to the another (and you will lose you modelling history). Therefore, even if another bit of software is "better" it is often too much trouble to change.

 

I personally changed to Fusion from Solidedge as it had built in CAM capibility (huge win for me making injection mould tooling). Exporting a Step file into my CAM software each time was a nightmare, especially with updating models. However, I subsequently found that Fusions drawing environment is pretty terrible and it causes me no end of problems delivering proper drawings to the shop floor. If I had looked into this more throughly, I may well have passed Fusion by and used something else, but after 4 ish years, I am now "Stuck"

 

I would learn both if you have the oppertunity though.

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TrippyLighting
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@John_Wright , thanks for the insightful post!

 

@TimelesslyTiredYouth 

The main difference starts with "access". As a student who can use the educational version for free, you may not care about pricing. For many individuals, CAD is a tool provided by their employer, so pricing may only play a secondary role for them, or none at all.

SolidWorks is substantially more expensive than Fusion. 

 

Unfortunately, many people cannot look past the price tag and then become frustrated when the realities don't quite match marketing hyperbole.

 

Once you have looked at pricing, the features of the tool need to be evaluated. My advice is to execute a complete project representative of 90% of a company's business in parallel using both tools. Then make an assessment!

 

The first thing that SolidWorks users often find confusing is the sketch engine. SolidWorks and many other CAD software use the D-Cubed sketch engine. 2D only, but very fast and very robust. Referring to external geometry works a little differently in SW.

 

The next thing is ( or was before external components were a thing in Fusion) the top-down design and modeling approach in Fusion, where you can design all components in a single design. That does not exist in S in that form, although with virtual components, that can also be done in SW.

 

The biggest hurdle at the beginning for SW users changing to Fusion is the Joint system. SW and all other mainstream CAD systems use geometric mates, and for reasons that escape me, that presents a challenge for many people.

 

Once a user has successfully navigated around the first obstacles, they might want to create manufacturing drawings. I cannot speak to that extensively, as I rarely needed to create manufacturing drawings; however, generally, SW has a much more mature toolset. 

 

Once you've created drawings, you may want to send parts to manufacturing and order OTS (off-the-shelf) components. In my opinion, Fusion's BOM feature set is so underwhelming that, in football (soccer) terms, I would have to give it the red card and send it off the field. 

 

In SolidWorks, you have a weldments and a frame generator that make designing welded frames a breeze. That frame generator also works well for frames made from aluminium extrusion. 

 

SolidWorks also has a module to create electrical schematics and BOMs for building control enclosures. 

 

It sounds like I'm bashing Fusion, but that's not the intention!

There is a reason for the price tag associated with SW!!!

Many users don't need all of that functionality and are happy with a subset of it. they don't mind occasionally having to work around missing functionality, sometimes laboriously.

 

What I like about Fusion is that all my data is in the cloud. I can access it from any computer I can install Fusion on. I use Fusion mostly on two computers, one at work and one at home. When I occasionally travel to present concepts to customers, I take my old MacBook Pro. I don't need to check out a license from a server or drag a dongle around with me. I always run the latest version of the software.

 

I can send customers a web link with the 3D model:

1. They don't need to create an account and provide their email address. That means they won't receive incessant advertising emails from Dassault Systèmes when installing their latest eDrawings viewer for SW files.

2. They don't need to install anything. That webviewer works nicely on a phone!

 

In Fusion, almost everything (99.9% of features) can be driven by user parameters. It always catches me off-guard when trying to re-create a model I started in Fusion in SW.

 

In Fusion, you can use a sketch for more than one "thing". You get used to that so quickly that it becomes quite a nuisance when that ability isn't present.

 

In Fusion, you can design Electronics alongside the mechanical design.

Not a super complicated design, but it works like a charm!

 

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T-Splines are very well-integrated into Fusion's modeling workflow.

 

 

Pick your poison 😉


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TheCADWhisperer
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@TimelesslyTiredYouth 

Certified Solidworks Professional since 2007 (the old 8-exam, not the new watered-down version).

 

Can use cloud storage just like Fusion.  I would work in 5 labs and my office and home using the same dataset.  Communicating with over a hundred students in a week using their datasets via cloud storage.  During Covid shut down using remote instruction, students spread out all over the state.  One thing that surprised me is how much they interacted with each other in isolation. (on-topic CAD assignments)

 

Viewers that do not require installation. (Actually, Autodesk has a much better one than SolidWorks that will read SolidWorks files.) (Well, at least that was the case before I retired, I haven't kept up since.)

 

Bodies are bodies, components are components (in both programs, nothing special here).  Can do multi-body in SolidWorks and push out to assembly.

That is one difference worth noting.  In SolidWorks assemblies are a collection of Components - just like in the real world.  In Fusion every "file" is an assembly.

There are real advantages to assembly constraints based only on Origin geometry - not like in the real world.

 

3D sketching is most certainly a thing in SolidWorks.

Having said that, most users in any mechanical CAD software use 3D sketching incorrectly.

 

Hard to say where the future is going, Fusion hasn't <snip snip>, but as a student you might also check out SOLIDWORKS xDesign in addition to classical SOLIDWORKS.

 

 

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