How to identify constaint that prevents sketch item movement

How to identify constaint that prevents sketch item movement

autocadFH8KR
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How to identify constaint that prevents sketch item movement

autocadFH8KR
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In the attached project, is a component called Hoocho Tower Base Planter, and within that is a sketch called "PlantSpot."  That is a sketcho showing concentric circles tied to tangent "legs."  Those "legs" are longer than I'd like (I actually want the shorter of them to be PlantSpotInternalDiameter length (moving those circles about 7MM closer to the Z axis).  Usually I'm guilty of under constraining (I'm getting better) but in this case I somehow added a constraint that is wrong, and I cannot identify it to change it.

While I would love someone to tell me which one it is and how it can be changed, I am much more interested in learning how to find out for myself which one it is, and then taking it from there.  I've found similar questions on this forum and as soon as someone identifies the problem constraint, the mood invariably shifts to "how can I correct it?"  So we (OK, I) need a thread that focuses on how to identify the faulty constraint.

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g-andresen
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Hi,

1. delete projected center

2. create new constraints

3. dimension lines

 

 

günther

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jhackney1972
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The solution has already has been pointed out to you but I will put it into a video.

 

If this answers your question, please select the "Accept Solution" on my post. If you need further help, please ask.

 

John Hackney, Retired
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jeff_strater
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I found this almost by accident (I was looking for overlapping geometry).  I found that there are 3 points in your circle centers, and that if I choose the "last" one (that doesn't map to a circle), and delete it, the sketch is freed up.  So, my guess is that there is a fixed, or projected point sitting there that is freezing the movement of that geometry.  I don't know how it came into existence, though.

 

I do think that the handling of these "point stacks" is one of Fusion's weak points in sketch.  I wish there were a better way to visualize these points, manage coincident constraints, etc.  It is very confusing.


Jeff Strater
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autocadFH8KR
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Thank you all for your replies, each of which gives me a solution to the issue and avoids saying how to identify/isolate the issue.   Don't misunderstand : I _do_ appreciate each of you for your solutions, but I tried to be very clear about my intention, which was about how to identify that problem constraint, and not about how to resolve it.  Each of you identified the same constraint; I would love to know how you identified it. (That _was_ the question.)

 

I cannot accept any of these as they don't address the question.

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davebYYPCU
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Jeff explained it, a series of points on top of each other.  Two belong to circles, and one was stand alone. 

It was the stand alone point that was fixed (green) or projected (purple), white points can be dragged so not one of those. 

Colours may not be visible for points overlapping. (Sketches have no history except as explained below)

Without that one present, the problem would not exist.

 

Found by process of elimination, identify the circle centre points and there was one left.

 

Hover over the points, left click hold - will bring up a menu called Select Other with a listing in recent to oldest order.

To see these 3 points you use Select Other, and cycle through the Menu, what's highlighted in the Menu, will highlight in the window as well.

 

That said, it may not have been a Constraint causing it.

 

Might help....

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jeff_strater
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That WAS how I identified the problem, by finding that point stack.  There is no systematic way to do this, no tool you can use that will identify the ONE constraint that is the problem.  Often there are 3 or 4 constraints that conflict and removing ANY of them will fix the problem.  In this case, the geometry looked very underconstrained to me - few dimensions.  So, likely there had to be a fixed or projected geometry somewhere in that sketch.  It was not visible, so therefore, I went looking for duplicate (stacked) geometry, which is often the culprit (because new users sometimes don't realize that you should not sketch over top of existing geometry, creating those duplicates).  I use Select Other (long left mouse press) to find duplicates.  I found one at the center point.  There were 3 points there.  When you move the mouse over one of the points, if it is a center point, the circle highlights.  The first two highlighted the two circles, so they likely were not the culprit (not guaranteed, just not likely), so I guessed at the third.  I selected it, and deleted it, and the sketch went blue (underconstrained) again.  Often, this will take a few iterations.  You delete the wrong thing, so you undo, and try a different one.

 

It doesn't matter to me whether you accept that as a solution or not.


Jeff Strater
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jgreene777
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"because new users sometimes don't realize that you should not sketch over top of existing geometry, creating those duplicates"

 

How does one sketch on a face without doing this? Granted I'm new, but I haven't seen any warnings against this and have seen plenty of videos instructing us to do it.

 

I'm trying really hard to be patient and learn Fusion, but coming from other CAD applications (corporate, so I can't afford to use at home) that do not have many of these difficulties makes it frustrating to try and diagnose what I'm doing wrong. Many of the guides I look up for help, just show the process working and they don't give any clues as to what I did wrong along the way.

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davebYYPCU
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Workflows develope with experience, 

 

Not creating overlaps is recommended but not prohibited.

 

Example, say you have 3 different sized rectangles, each having the same corner point.  The two smaller rectangles would overlap two lines of the biggest rectangle.  Better to draw one rectangle, and the two lines in space to create the smaller rectangles.

 

concentric circles, centre points are required to overlap.

 

Might help….

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jeff_strater
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I agree that the best practices workflows are neither well documented, nor does the software itself guide you to them (or away from the bad workflows).

 

"How does one sketch on a face without doing this?"

By default, when you sketch on a face, that face's edges are all projected into the sketch, controlled by this setting:

Screenshot 2025-09-19 at 3.16.22 PM.png

 

However, (and this is admittedly confusing), a UX decision was made to not show that geometry as sketch geometry (because otherwise the sketch would be too "cluttered"), so you just have to "know" that that geometry is there.  You can kind of infer its existence, because there is a profile defined.  For instance, I sketched on the top of this cube, and drew a circle:

Screenshot 2025-09-19 at 3.16.58 PM.png

and, if I make the body invisible, you can see the rectangular profile:

Screenshot 2025-09-19 at 3.17.04 PM.png

 

and if you are editing that sketch, you can see the coincident  and perpendicular constraint preview:

Screenshot 2025-09-19 at 3.22.02 PM.png

 

and, you can define a rectangle by drawing only 3 lines:

Screenshot 2025-09-19 at 3.22.18 PM.png

 

I am not defending this (I actually argued against this "invisible projected geometry" change), just trying to explain how it works. 


Jeff Strater
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