Help us help you create better 2D drawings!

TimeraAutodesk
Community Manager
Community Manager

Help us help you create better 2D drawings!

TimeraAutodesk
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hey all,

 

Here’s another opportunity for you to influence how we develop the 2D drawings experience! 

 

We want to do some comparative analysis of our internal drawings against your real-world drawings – created from Fusion or (even more interesting) from your other CAD packages. 

 

Feel free to reply to this thread with your drawings. If you want to keep your drawings confidential, email them to me directly at timera.hart@autodesk.com and we will keep them safe. Any and all examples of drawings you're making today to get your job done would be super helpful to us as we keep our eye on the prize of fullfilling our promise to rounding out the drawings environment.

 

We on the drawings team are still hard at work to bring you some great new features in the upcoming releases, with a bunch happening on June 22 (mentioned at the bottom of the June 8 what’s new post).

 

Timera

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Anonymous
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I have used Solid works, Fusion 360, Pro E as my softwares, but I found some problems which I have highlighted in the thread.

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Coscor_NPL
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Okay so I just tried to use Fusion360 drawing mode again (Come from SolidWorks, Pro-E/Creo)

 

I LOVE fusion for many things, but let me tell you the drawing portion is poor for what we need to do with it, I really hope it's not just improvements you're making, but a complete overhaul of the drawing portion the development team have planned for it.

 

I'm sorry if I'm missing something, or doing it wrong.

 

I know many of these things is already in the pipe line, that's just great, and some are only 'great stuff' but many below is needed to even start using it.

 

- Not being able to sketch a point or a line to place a measure on (as a referance, hidden line or for illustration) we use this not to 'cheat' but sometimes this is need to find intersections etc.

- where is export to DXF? (for wirecut) or many other file types?

- Flickering, dashed, blurry and disappearing things or lines when moving or making something, this is such a distraction

- when setting a measure on a axle... why do I need to place Ø manually every single time?

- Make shared tolerances table that you can choose from when making a measure

- The ability to make many custom templates (for Head, logos, text etc.) when making tens or even hundreds of drawings for same customer

- Auto populate of the head/templates

- Change colours, make hatchings on surfaces or lines? (important for stamping tools)

- Edit and sort column (A-Z, Z-A, 1-3 or manually) in the BOM list, or even change text size, text colours or column width?

- Layers, why not? layers for head, layer for BOM, layer for drawings

- Rotation of drawings - clockwise/anti clockwise (idea: click 'edit view' of a drawing view, show a view cube just as it looks in model, click arrows to change the view)

- sure there's stuff I have forgot to mention

 

So sorry for the Rant... it's just because I love what fusion is trying to do (and are doing) on the CAD/CAM marked, it's innovative, trying new things, trying to be more productive and fast, cloud (even cheap) and all that good stuff (some things are also missing in model mode etc. but there's so many other features to be happy about), but the drawing aspect is not only settling for 'boring/mediocre' but is downright unusable semi-professionally! sorry to be so negative about it, but this is just a deal-breaker for us to go to 'the next step' with the software, I know that this is something cheaper and all that but, if they just fixed drawing mode this software would start to feel 'professional'

 

(I should have sent some sample drawing directly to OP)

 

Thanks again, and again sorry for the rant.

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TimeraAutodesk
Community Manager
Community Manager

@Coscor_NPL, thank you for your candid feedback. Yes, as you guessed we have these items and more on our roadmap for delivering to make drawings more robust and easier to use. 

 

We are specifically looking for examples of drawings that you're creating today (PDF's or something similar), for us to use as reference in tracking progress and decision-making for new features. If you'd like to request new features specifically, you can do so on our IdeaStation so that the rest of the community can weigh in and we can track the requests individually.

 

You can either post your samples to the thread here, or send them to me confidentially at timera.hart@autodesk.com. When you do, please reference the drawing package in which your samples were created.

 

Thanks again,

Timera

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Anonymous
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Hi:

I just switched from Solidwork to Fusion 360  and something just happened to me that I never encountered in solidworks. I did a model of a flat piece and followed up with the creation of a drawing. Everything good so far the drawing showed the top view of the part. Now I created two countersink holes on my model and even after updating the drawing to the latest version of my model I still can't see the hole represented in my drawings. Why is my question , Solidworks always updated drawings when change were made on the model. What did  I do wrong, or what can I do to make sure that the holes in my part get represented in my Drawings. 

Please help me with this problem, and on another note,  Solidworks allowed me to create holes that would be modeled from the screw size and type that I wanted to use, with different clearances  that I would pick depending on my design, Can I do that with FUSION 360? ( Pick a screw size and type with a certain  type of clearance and the hole information for that screw would be supplied by Fusion 360)

 

 

Looking forward to hear from you

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daniel_lyall
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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi:

I just switched from Solidwork to Fusion 360  and something just happened to me that I never encountered in solidworks. I did a model of a flat piece and followed up with the creation of a drawing. Everything good so far the drawing showed the top view of the part. Now I created two countersink holes on my model and even after updating the drawing to the latest version of my model I still can't see the hole represented in my drawings. Why is my question , Solidworks always updated drawings when change were made on the model. What did  I do wrong, or what can I do to make sure that the holes in my part get represented in my Drawings. 

Please help me with this problem, and on another note,  Solidworks allowed me to create holes that would be modeled from the screw size and type that I wanted to use, with different clearances  that I would pick depending on my design, Can I do that with FUSION 360? ( Pick a screw size and type with a certain  type of clearance and the hole information for that screw would be supplied by Fusion 360)

 

 

Looking forward to hear from you


using the hole command under create you can set the size of the hole ever a counterbore or countersink or a straight out hole.

 

it depends on how you have done the part to how it acts if you can attach the file you can be guided from that, there are a few gotch ya's in fusion what are completly different to any other cad program, it's more than likely one of them that is the problem  


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O.Tan
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Regarding the hole question, the answer is no. Fusion currently doesn't have a Hole Manager/Template/Wizard (whatever you'll like to call it)

Right now you're expected to key in for yourself the hole info. In a way I know this sucks but I'm pretty sure Fusion team is aware of it and is somewhere in the roadmap. We can only wait I guess


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biester26
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We've chatted in the past and I hope our webmeeting gave you some insight as to what other CAD software packages are doing.  Still anxiously waiting ordinate dimensions!

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Anonymous
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every time I try to dimension in drawings in 2D I cant find mid point on a line it gives me end points only 

can you help me please with this issue 

 

please e-mail me back on sinan@southwesternmanufacturing.com

 

thanks

Sinan

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TimeraAutodesk
Community Manager
Community Manager

@biester26 - Thanks for following up with us on Ordinate Dimensions. We have the team currently working on that feature, actually. I don't have a release date to share yet, but as we make more progress, we will have a better idea of when it will be ready to ship. I hope that's encouraging to hear, and thanks again!

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cekuhnen
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Mentor

@TimeraAutodesk

 

Are their plans to allow the drawing module to create accurate drawings improving the overall quality as well?

 

I just tested it and the module still produces and exports the following problems:

 

Curves are often drawn as line segments not making smooth profiles

edges are not coincident to each other producing open gaps in part drawings.

 

the first is a question of visual quality

the second is a question of accuracy - nothing can be open

Claas Kuhnen

Faculty Industrial Design – Wayne State Universit

Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Claas,

We have been tracking an open issue for quality of PDF output with a bug: FDWG-2674,  We have heard from a few customers that the drawing output is lacking in quality, as you mentioned either curves appearing as line segments (in AutoCAD this would be a symptom of a low VIEWRES setting) and/or line segments not joining cleanly.  Our main problem has been reproducing the problem in house.  We've received some designs which repro the problem for customers, but when we've tried to reproduce on the developer's machine it looks correct.  There is some combination of geometry and or system settings which we have not been able to reproduce here.

 

If you have a design that clearly reproduces the problem, can you please send the f3z (drawing and design) as well as a screen capture of the issue to christopher.miller@autodesk.com.  The bug is still open and we definitely want to address this, we just need clear reproducible cases so the developers can track it down.

 

Thanks,
Chris

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Anonymous
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Hi Timera,

 

As one of the member detailed about the hole manager,  in addition to that,

1. There is no tool represents Counter sunk or Counter head bolts as per the standard dimensions.

2. No tool which says bolt or nut with reference to standards like wing nut, capstan nut etc

 

It is better to have a material detail in the Title box else the title box which can edit by the person who are creating the drawings

 

 

Thanks

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cekuhnen
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Mentor

@cmiller66

 

The line and curve quality problem is present since the introduction of the drawing module in MacOS or WinOS and to me got never solved.

 

This includes naked edges, overlapping edges and smoothness issues arcs drawn as lines.

 

This basically happens with every design I do which is why I do not use the drawing module. It is not usable for further work like giving

it to somebody for CNC work and such.

 

 

MacOS:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2WHc5U2FGVzhQZVk/view

 

WinOS:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byzv_NlyKp_2V1p5ZjZHbUVzU3M/view

 

 

If you want we could meet online F2F and take a look at things but to me this seems not a usable solution when you do want to do more with the data.

 

file: http://a360.co/2aCHJ5P

 

if there is a way to improve this via settings let me know!

Claas Kuhnen

Faculty Industrial Design – Wayne State Universit

Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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cekuhnen
Mentor
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@cmiller66

 

 

So here are screenshots of the paths created in WinOS and MacOS.

Both are a disaster.

Screen Shot 2016-08-16 at 8.18.07 AM.png

 

 

 

Screen Shot 2016-08-16 at 8.19.13 AM.png

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here is a screenshot from Rhino. The curves are cleanly represented.

No noise in the curves - no segments in the curves - no overly complicated and dense curves. Just pure nice and clean curves.

 

That is one if not the main reason we still do drawings with Rhino either for documentation or when sending it to manufacturing for

CNC wood cut and such.

 

 

 

 

 

Screen Shot 2016-08-16 at 8.34.48 AM.png

Claas Kuhnen

Faculty Industrial Design – Wayne State Universit

Chair Interior Design – Wayne State University

Owner studioKuhnen – product : interface : design

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cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Claas,

Thank you for the images and the design.  Let me take a look and discuss with the development team.  Currently there isn't a setting in the product for setting this precision, but we do have the one low PDF resolution issue Open for tracking this, and have not forgotten about it.  Thanks again for the info.


Chris

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3Dpcb
Advocate
Advocate

Perspective views in Drawings would be great.
In the Properties panel, it is only possible to choose isometric views.


An opportunity to choose perspective views, will be perfect for full page technical illustrations and assembly drawings.
This will also be necessary to create PATENT DRAWINGS.

 

IdeaStation:
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/ideastation-request-a-feature-or/perspective-view-in-drawings/idi-p/5...


Note: If you save a Drawing as a PDF – import it into Illustrator and clean it up, you will have a very nice drawing you can use to make great illustrations, when combining with other graphics. And if you add a week and small offset shadow to the line, it will stand out a bit and look very nice. With An opportunity to choose Perspective views, this will be even more useful.



 

Screen Shot 2016-08-29 at 12.12.09.png

 

 

 

 

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TimeraAutodesk
Community Manager
Community Manager

@3Dpcb - excellent example, thank you so much. I have made sure this is captured in our backlog for review.

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bryan5
Advocate
Advocate

We bought our first seat of Fusion this past week to implement in the machining portion of the job shop. After I did research and found out that we get way more for much less than what we currently had with MasterCAM it was a no brainier to make the move.

 

My goal is to get the entire shop on fusion 360. We are a sheet metal job shop and along with mills and lathes we have lasers, water jets, plasma/oxyfuel, press brake and full welding fabrication capabilities. 

 

We currently use solid edge with various cam programs to run our laser, water jets, and plasma, so I am eagerly waiting the release of the sheet metal and laser/water jet/plasma cam for fusion 360.

 

In the mean time I am gathering information on all aspects of fusion to make sure it does not slow down our workflow.

 

For ISO purposes almost all drawings we make are placed on title block for document retention. Jobs that require bending and need a flat pattern or small to large assemblies get 3D model and then moved to the draft portion of Solid Edge to create mfg drawings. However, being a job shop, we do receive a fair amount of simple 2D parts that we need to create. In this case I simply draw 2D in Solid Edge draft to create the mfg drawing and able to get the geometry I need for cam without the need to go full 2D.

 

I would like to see this option in Fusion 360. My idea is to have a model space tab in the 2D drawing environment with some simple parametric sketch entities available to use to create geometry. This way I can create the geometry I need for cam and also create the drawing for documentation purposes.

 

Sometimes I even create 2D parts in a drawing document the I have created from a 3D model. It gives me the flexibility on the fly to get things created in a timely manner when I might forget to model a simple spacer or tab and not go full 3D to get this geometry to the shop floor.

 

Thank you for your time

 

Bryan Lagrange
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m730109
Explorer
Explorer

Hi Timera,

I want to have 3 function in 2D drawings:      the photo from SD works

break and Coordinate dimension

surface finish : I can't enter number in fusion360 

break.jpgordinate.jpgsurface finish.jpg

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Hi Timera,

 

I don't know whether these details have updated or not.  My suggestion is to add,

 

1. Sketch tools: For modifications that can be carried out at drawing stages

2. Center plane selection for inclined lines(at the ends)

 

Thanks

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