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Enabling Capture Design History crashes Fusion360

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Enabling Capture Design History crashes Fusion360

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Hi there

 

Im trying to reanable "capture design history" after disabling it for a short time (needed to make a component independent).

 

 

 

Any idea how to get it back?

 

http://a360.co/27HobpK

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/73a70573-51ed-49dd-91f1-c2354c7c3045

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Enabling Capture Design History crashes Fusion360

Hi there

 

Im trying to reanable "capture design history" after disabling it for a short time (needed to make a component independent).

 

 

 

Any idea how to get it back?

 

http://a360.co/27HobpK

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/73a70573-51ed-49dd-91f1-c2354c7c3045

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innovatenate
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innovatenate
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Can I ask what you are trying to accomplish by re-enabling the timeline? 

 

Once you disable the timeline, the parametric history is lost and converted to direct modeling data. Turning the timeline on again will reflect this. You'll note that the extrudes and other feature that comprise bodies are converted to a direct modeling feature called a "Base Feature" in the timeline. 

 

Another thing that I note is that there a lot of warnings in the browser for the joints that exisit in this model. 

joint warnings.PNG

 

If I go through your browser and generously remove assembly joints that have failures. I can get the timeline enabled, see the below link. I note there are still a lot of errors in the timeline. I tried to go through and delete even more joints, but I may have missed a few. At any rate, I think the joint failures are the root cause of the issue.

 

http://a360.co/1XT5ICs

 

I note you may want to consider re-assembling to take advantage of XREF's and help keep the timeline simple and short.

 

If you right click on each component group in the model browser and then perform a Save Copy As, you can create individual designs from the component groups. I note that you may be have an easier time enabling the timeline in designs with less compoents.

 

Later, you can quickly reassemble by using XREF's. To do this right click on a design in the data panel and select the Insert into current design command.

 

I hope this helps!

 

Thanks,

 

 

 




Nathan Chandler
Principal Specialist
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Can I ask what you are trying to accomplish by re-enabling the timeline? 

 

Once you disable the timeline, the parametric history is lost and converted to direct modeling data. Turning the timeline on again will reflect this. You'll note that the extrudes and other feature that comprise bodies are converted to a direct modeling feature called a "Base Feature" in the timeline. 

 

Another thing that I note is that there a lot of warnings in the browser for the joints that exisit in this model. 

joint warnings.PNG

 

If I go through your browser and generously remove assembly joints that have failures. I can get the timeline enabled, see the below link. I note there are still a lot of errors in the timeline. I tried to go through and delete even more joints, but I may have missed a few. At any rate, I think the joint failures are the root cause of the issue.

 

http://a360.co/1XT5ICs

 

I note you may want to consider re-assembling to take advantage of XREF's and help keep the timeline simple and short.

 

If you right click on each component group in the model browser and then perform a Save Copy As, you can create individual designs from the component groups. I note that you may be have an easier time enabling the timeline in designs with less compoents.

 

Later, you can quickly reassemble by using XREF's. To do this right click on a design in the data panel and select the Insert into current design command.

 

I hope this helps!

 

Thanks,

 

 

 




Nathan Chandler
Principal Specialist
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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There was a component i copied and assembled in my construction... later i needed to make some adjustments only to this component.

 

the only way i found was to make that component independent, so the other copy was not affected... so i needed to deactivate my history (i thought this would just "pause" the tracking of the history, not deleting it)...

 

is there another way to do this?

 

sorry if this is a stupid question 🙂

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There was a component i copied and assembled in my construction... later i needed to make some adjustments only to this component.

 

the only way i found was to make that component independent, so the other copy was not affected... so i needed to deactivate my history (i thought this would just "pause" the tracking of the history, not deleting it)...

 

is there another way to do this?

 

sorry if this is a stupid question 🙂

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Anonymous
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and another thing is, i dont know where the joint errors come from...

 

this think was nearly completly assembled, and now after i deactivated history BAM they are everywhere.

 

im getting better in using this nice program (only 12-20 crashes a day now... 2 weeks before it was like 60 crashes a day)

 

why is this tool so crash sensitive? XD

u cant tell me that learning a new programm involves 1000 of crashes?

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and another thing is, i dont know where the joint errors come from...

 

this think was nearly completly assembled, and now after i deactivated history BAM they are everywhere.

 

im getting better in using this nice program (only 12-20 crashes a day now... 2 weeks before it was like 60 crashes a day)

 

why is this tool so crash sensitive? XD

u cant tell me that learning a new programm involves 1000 of crashes?

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innovatenate
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innovatenate
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From the other discussion for this design (below), I noticed that the timeline contained lots of warnings and errors. 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/design-validate-document/simple-rigid-joint-does-not-work-on-two-compn...

 

Ideally, none of these would exist in the timeline. They usually indicate that a feature dependencies has been broken. Generally this happens when geometry is changed in a design and the downstream features are unable to resolve the reference geometry. At this point, you would need to edit the feature and re-associate the geometry or rebuild the features to remove the warning and errors. 

 

The Modeling Best Practices blog post below, explains this in better detail. 

http://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/fusion-360-modeling-best-practices/

 

The below free class about large assembly from last year's Autodesk University may also offer some tips to help manage the assembly and stay error free.

http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/classes-on-demand/class-catalog/2015/fusion-360/cp10167#chapter=0

 

Because these errors existed in the Timeline before disabling "Capture Design History," the errors will also exist after in the "Direct Modeling" environment.

 

To create a component that is not "linked" to the original component:

  • Use the Save Copy As to create a new component, open and edit, then you can insert this into the design
  • There are two Paste commands: Paste (which will maintain the "link") and Paste New (which will generate a new, unlinked component) - Both commands should be available on the right click menu

 

One thing that is important to note is that the construction of your components do matter! This is why the best practices link above is very helpful to understand. Depending on how you build the components, some features may or may not move around with the components as you use one of the methods above to generate a new component. 

 

 

 

 
I'd also note that the Direct Modeling approach does offer some more freedom where the dependencies in the timeline do not have such an impact. As long as there are no errors or warning in the browser, then what you see is what you get. 
 
If you still want to go the timeline route, you can promote a previous version of the design via the method described in the below link.
 
As a general tip, keeping the timelines smaller and more maneagable for each design, will allow you to more easily resolve timeline errors. Taking advantage of the distrubted design functionality (X-Ref'd) components, should enable you to keep the timelines small and maneagable by creating multiple deisgn workspaces.
 
I know you experienced an issue with errors with assembling X-Ref'd components in the other forum post; however, these failures may stem from the errors in the timeline. We are still actively investigating that issue, but I wanted to share this information as it may help prevent the assembly errors from occurring altogether.
 
I hope this information is helpful. Let us know if you have any quesitons. 
 
Thanks,
 
 



Nathan Chandler
Principal Specialist
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From the other discussion for this design (below), I noticed that the timeline contained lots of warnings and errors. 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/design-validate-document/simple-rigid-joint-does-not-work-on-two-compn...

 

Ideally, none of these would exist in the timeline. They usually indicate that a feature dependencies has been broken. Generally this happens when geometry is changed in a design and the downstream features are unable to resolve the reference geometry. At this point, you would need to edit the feature and re-associate the geometry or rebuild the features to remove the warning and errors. 

 

The Modeling Best Practices blog post below, explains this in better detail. 

http://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/fusion-360-modeling-best-practices/

 

The below free class about large assembly from last year's Autodesk University may also offer some tips to help manage the assembly and stay error free.

http://au.autodesk.com/au-online/classes-on-demand/class-catalog/2015/fusion-360/cp10167#chapter=0

 

Because these errors existed in the Timeline before disabling "Capture Design History," the errors will also exist after in the "Direct Modeling" environment.

 

To create a component that is not "linked" to the original component:

  • Use the Save Copy As to create a new component, open and edit, then you can insert this into the design
  • There are two Paste commands: Paste (which will maintain the "link") and Paste New (which will generate a new, unlinked component) - Both commands should be available on the right click menu

 

One thing that is important to note is that the construction of your components do matter! This is why the best practices link above is very helpful to understand. Depending on how you build the components, some features may or may not move around with the components as you use one of the methods above to generate a new component. 

 

 

 

 
I'd also note that the Direct Modeling approach does offer some more freedom where the dependencies in the timeline do not have such an impact. As long as there are no errors or warning in the browser, then what you see is what you get. 
 
If you still want to go the timeline route, you can promote a previous version of the design via the method described in the below link.
 
As a general tip, keeping the timelines smaller and more maneagable for each design, will allow you to more easily resolve timeline errors. Taking advantage of the distrubted design functionality (X-Ref'd) components, should enable you to keep the timelines small and maneagable by creating multiple deisgn workspaces.
 
I know you experienced an issue with errors with assembling X-Ref'd components in the other forum post; however, these failures may stem from the errors in the timeline. We are still actively investigating that issue, but I wanted to share this information as it may help prevent the assembly errors from occurring altogether.
 
I hope this information is helpful. Let us know if you have any quesitons. 
 
Thanks,
 
 



Nathan Chandler
Principal Specialist

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