DOES AUTODESK FUSION 360 SUPPORT LINUX OS

[Anonymous]

HELLO 

I WOULD LIKE TO DOES AUTODESK FUSION 360 SUPPORT LINUX OS

AND 

WHICH WOULD BE THE BEST PROCSSER FOR FUSION IF I AM HANDELING LARGE CAM AND COMPLEX 3D ASSEMLY

LET ME KNOW

[jeromenowe]

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@brianreppwrote:

Obviously the browser Fusion is not a current replacement for the desktop version, but if it were, and it supported more browser types, would you consider running this on your Linux machine(s)?

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Blablabal browser, blablabla browser...the lazy solution, if solution is the right word.

No, I dont want a browser version. I only want a desktop version and dont say it's impossible because it's Linux. Fusion 360 is available for MacHipstersOS so you can compile it for Linux. After, you can, for support, chose a number of distributions, limit the number of Kernel, etc...I dont see any positive stuffs with a browser. Fusion 360 works online and offline. What happens with a browser version if network is down?

[etfrench]

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@jeromenowe wrote:

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 What happens with a browser version if network is down?

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All 15 linux users would be upset

[themetricguy]

> I believe the problem is one of return on investment, specifically lack thereof.  

It is not. It would be hard to port something if you have windows-only MFC/.net application but if you have macosx-ready application which is full of Qt references the porting is trivial. All you need to do is to adjust a build routine.  This could be achieved in less than a week of a developer's time.  

The real problem is that Autodesk as a commercial company is considering Open Source, which Linux is the most prominent example of, as a threat to its busyness model. So we won't see any progress in that direction.

[themetricguy]

> What linux version do you want to support ?

The latest kernel, of course. 

> If only one version is supported, because it has the right kernel, drivers, graphics drivers etc. what would make it so different from using any user single source OS ?

CAD has no need of knowledge of drivers, graphics drivers etc.

> I used it for computer graphics, programming etc.

No you have not. because...

> What IDE would need to be supported ?

IDE stands for "Integrated Development Environment". CAD has no need of knowledge of any IDE.

> KDE GNOMe or others ?

None. You don't need to support KDE or GNOME or any other DE (desktop environment), unless you're building a panel applet or stuff like that.

[themetricguy]

> OSX is better (at some stuff) because it has a direction and clear goals, and one team. 

I've found it literally useless when I couldn't change the default background from white. It's not important whether it has  a direction and clear goals, and one team, unless it is capable to fulfill the basic requirements.

[daniel_lyall]

@themetricguy Would there enough users of of a linux version to pay the wages of the developers need to port and keep current with the other versions of fusion, and would you be happy with a massive slow down of up dates.

You say it would be easy to port a osx program please show me I am interest to see this.

[Anonymous]

Many of windows applications can run directly on Linux without any modification whatsoever through a linux app called "wine".

Not just applications but also games with all sort of 3D graphics capabilities.
Problem with Fusion 360 is that it's installer won't even work with wine. If Fusion 360 team could just invest a week or so to investigate the viability of running Fusion 360 on Linux using "wine", they could increase their market share without spending much time to developing a new version specifically for linux  

[lichtzeichenanlage]

4 weeks? That's either marketing bull**** or a developer with no sens for product management. If they would support wine, they have to support a new platform. And that includes testing for each patch, release etc. 4 weeks might be the initial development investment, but that's only a fraction (to be honest the smallest fraction) of the total costs.

[Anonymous]

> 4 weeks might be the initial development investment,

1. There is no need to provide "official support". Making it "work"
without official support is certainly better than having it not working
at all.
2. There is no "development". The setup needs to be tweaked so that it
skip certain steps "like OS detection" when it's running with wine.

This link already cover all the issues (mostly related to installation
process rather than the actual product)
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=36468
It even explain how to bypass these issues and get the product to
install, though it's a real pain.

This is it really. Fix the installation and we would have something that
"works" even if not officially.

[lichtzeichenanlage]

As a company I would never go this way. It always involves effort. Even if
it's not official supported. In addition Fusion 360 ist cloud based, so the
have to test this, too. That only the installation is the problem us just a
guess.

I guess because of Linux, ChromeOS etc. they started the development of the
WEB client. And perhaps because of the low demand it's progress is so slow.

[Anonymous]

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@TrippyLighting wrote:

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What linux version do you want to support ?

If only one version is supported, because it has the right kernel, drivers, graphics drivers etc. what would make it so different from using any user single source OS ?

What IDE would need to be supported ? KDE GNOMe or others ?

I agree with @kb9ydn. The real issue is not a technical one and not whether it can be ported. It would likely be a support nightmare.

Well it might appear that Linux is a wild west of sorts. I do want to mention that most common consumer based distributions have the same core components. AKA: The kernel, Systemd, PulseAudio and the GNU component library. Even when two APIs are in competition with each other like KDE and Gnome. The one API will often run and interpret code from the other without much or any hassle since most core libraries for Linux are open source. 

It may have been a support nightmare 5 years ago, but the platform as a whole has come a long way in the last 5 years thanks to the efforts of companies like Valve. Speaking of Valve. I do want to mention that Steam, a software store mostly used for selling games, is the perfect example of why "Linux is a support nightmare" is an out right lie. Its only supported on Ubuntu, but has been ported and repackaged to nearly every distribution under the sun.

If your product is good enought then the distribution maintainers will often do the heavy lifting in terms of ensuring your piece of software runs flawlessly on their distribution. 

[lichtzeichenanlage]

Sure they do use the same base. And I agree that Linux is now way better than 5 years ago. But whenever I've worked with multi platform products that are mission critical - and a company like AD should see Fusion 360 as that -  vendors limit the supported to something like Red Hat. And I can clearly understand why. 

If you're not doing it, you've to test it on the most common derivatives. That's multiplying the cost. 

Sure - community is doing a lot, but for those products they only could do it after a release. And than the support nightmare is already started.

[cekuhnen]

I would still say that Linux is not where windows or macOS is. There are reasons for why the last two are more popular with commercial software makers.

[TrippyLighting]

@Anonymous this is a complex subject. 

I started working with computer graphics, rendering  CAD, 3D modeling 30 years ago in college. First on MS DOS, then on Linux. Ive used linux before Win 311 was on the market, my first Internet access was through Linux because the TYCP/IP stack cost extra money on Windows at the time, something I did not have as a student.

I have no problem at all with Linux or any bias against it. The problem I have is that I started 5 years ago working with Fusion 360. I worked my behind of here on the Forum and still after 5 years I don't have the application I wanted.

(What have you contributed, by the way  ?)

As such I would currently vehemently speak agains AD supporting Linux. Whether it is going to be a nightmare or not is irrelevant, because whatever it is going to be it will require effort. Effort that could be going to improve the tools that I want to see improved.

In fact if I would run that business unit I would kill development on the browser version of Fusion 360 today!

Along within I'd also kill development on the mobile app. More resources and budgets freed up that could go toward completing the core tools.

[cekuhnen]

@jeromenowe

Man your language is quite immature.

So since you run Linux you have a PC don’t be so greedy and get Win10 if you want a desktop app. Sorry across the profession software landscape Linux is not a major player because they messed it up.

@themetricguy

well to bad that you find Mac OS bad because you could not change a white background. 

Win10 is still not close to the media handling capabilities of macOS Finder

aming many other areas.

You folks really make very meaningful comments. 

[daniel_lyall]

If you want Linux that badly stick it on a windows computer and use both.

[cekuhnen]

@daniel_lyall Pretty good point.

I used to run Ubuntu Win10 and macOS.

[jeromenowe]

I understand that you dont accept points of view that differ from yours. Nevertheless, that's not a reason to start an answer by adding a "yokelbook-like" comment (yokelbook = FB).

inux is not a major player because they messed it up. You're wrong. You should have said that 2 firms have locked the market and you know the names of those firms.

To go back to Fusion 360, Autodesk was able to adapt/develop Maya for Linux. So again, why a poor browser version for Linux in the case of Fusion 360?

As I said, for convenience and costs, they can choose to specify a few linux distributions or less, a few kernels or less, etc...

[cekuhnen]

@jeromenowe

I think you are ignoring many market aspects here.

yes windows and macOS are the most widely used OS but mainly because of software selection for it.

MS used a very good marketing too but in the end also consumers decided.

for years people selected windows with all its flaws and virus issues.

but then again Linux was never really a main stream OS for the mass but more for the nerds. And to be honest all Linux makers are at fault here - instead of focusing on one OS everybody cooked their own dish.

maya like Alias also came from wavefront and in 3D computer graphics and animation Linux is often used too because of the cpu advantage.  But also in that industry companies like SGI had once a market share hit lost it because of bad products.

and the majority of Fusion users are not linux users. Today I do not know any design company and maker that runs Linux.

adapt or keep fighting a lost OS war.

[daniel_lyall]

@jeromenowe there are good and bad points to using Linux, but if you think about it how many people use Linux, Linux + user's = $ 

And no they will not do a open source version of fusion for Linuxs that is out right a stupid thing to do. All so dev on 3 OS = slow updates and upgrades.