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I know this would be a huge undertaking and not something to expect in the immediate future but I would love to hear if there has been any discussion and or thought of this from Autodesk. There is obviously interest and the votes here don't even touch on the target audience since serious Linux people/businesses aren't generally going to be on the autodesk forums since there is nothing here for them.
Is there any talk about this? Thoughts about this from Autodesk?
Thanks, schneik, for that information. It's good (bad) to know that the OSX version has required so much work. It means that the project was not created with cross-platform support as a core feature and that my guess (and that of others) that a Linux port might not be so difficult is off the mark. I'm not sure what the roadmap is for moving from thick- to thin-client, but I will say that I have had mostly discomforting experiences with the thin-client CAD stuff (TinkerCAD and the parts of F360 that require network activity, for example). The performance/responsiveness can be really terrible at times. I am also constantly trying to figure out how F360 can fit into workshops and courses that I teach in "remote" places (without good network access). Right now it's mostly inconvient, but can sometimes be a killer (for example, when we all login to F360 and are met with a message saying that we MUST upgrade before continuing - leaving us stuck on a slow network with a dozen people downloading 100's of MBs of update). The cloud outages have also come at inconvenient times - seems like it's always when a project is due! Once we get to a thin-client, I don't know how we'd manage on a less-than-speedy network.
Looks like onshape is going to beat you guys to LInux. I might have to check them out. Especially if they integrate a CAM solution. I have really come to appreciate the Autodesk community but Linux support really is that important to me. http://www.onshape.com/faqs
Linux support could be really good addition for Fusion 360. It would make Fusion 360 truly platform-independent engineering platform (sounds like some kind of paradox, but you will get the idea. 🙂 ). For example, I have to use Windows at my work, but I will use Linux at my home. I am considering switching from Solidworks to Fusion 360 because it would brake chains of working only at office. However, without Linux support this idea is totally wrecked.
schneik wrote: "The Linux community comes with a big expectation that old/free hardware runs fine. CAD/CAM unfortunately is not a application set that works well on minimum spec hardware."
- That's not true. I can't understand where you take your assumption that Linux community runs old hardware. Especially for people who are ready to pay the software at minimum of 300 bucks at year. Instead our company is more interested in about ultimate license. My home computer is i5-4670K with 16GB RAM and NVidia 760 with pair of SSD's. I will use Linux as main operating system. It isn't supercomputer, but I will not consider it as old/free.
schneik wrote: "This is especially true with OpenGL and getting good OpenGL support across Linux distributions is not there today."
- CAD systems have their own hardware requirements. This is nothing new. I think nobody are assuming you will support OpenGL 3.0. Current propierty NVidia/AMD drivers will support latest OpenGL-versions (actually more modern than Apple's drivers does). Intel is coming after with Mesa. 3D CAD system users usually use modern hardware. Many 3D software for Linux requires NVidia/AMD propierty drivers. Nothing new here.
PS. I just started to get familiar in Fusion 360. I don't know if it could replace Solidworks, but it looks promising.
As another has said. Onshape has beat you to linux support. Its really too bad because many features of 360 are great but, its really the only reason I have to boot into OSX and its really a time waster to have to switch back and forth.
Linux would be a great addition, Esspecially for the Maker community. In our local area we have a maker space type meetup one a month, And almost all people who attend run linux as there primary enviroment. and for me personally, I would love to use Fusion 360, but I am not going to install windows or osx just to run it ( I will just stick with openscad ).
I think what they meant when they changed it to future consideration was we are going to ignore your request until 3027 when everything runs on Linux and we are sadly forced to switch over because Microsoft and Apple both built their own death stars and have become locked in an eternal all consuming battle to the death. Frequently interupted by deathstar crashes, viruses, BSODs and spinning color wheels.
It's awesome that this one is in the top 40 most requested ideas. Even better that there are a couple other LInux requests with a lot of votes. It's sad that there has been no Autodesk input in so long on this highly requested topic. Just reinforces my belief once again that the idea station is just a place for people to waste their time feeling like they are being heard when autodesk is just going to do whatever the F it was going to do in the first place and if that so happens to be something posted in the idea station they can check it off as completed and make someone feel like they are being listened to.
I'd disagree. The amount of work done on Fusion 360, in response to user feedback, is incredible. More than I've ever seen on any commercial software project. I'd love to see Linux support, but I don't think it's going to happen. We've heard from someone at autodesk in this thread, explaining why it's not as trivial as some of us on the outside might imagine. I use f360 on Macos when I'm at work and I have a windows installation on my laptop pretty much for this one application. I am still able to access my files from my laptop in Linux, and even export my models, render, etc from the website after I've left the windows environment. I also use the iPad app for viewing models/assemblies. Saying that you're going to stick with libre cad and openscad is absurd. There is about 10% overlap there and if you can make do with just free Linux applications then you don't need the extra 90% that Fusion 360 provides. I think it's worth letting AD know that there's a demand for a Linux version, but I think being realistic is necessary - are any of these requests coming from paying users? I teach at a research university, but we're free users as well (and the university doesn't care about Linux support, I do personally). This all reminds me of the olden days of being a rabid OS/2 evangelist...
I will agree with you on the "More than any other Commercial software project". Just by having an idea station exceeds most but that doesn't mean I would qualify it as good. If you look at some things like Drawings improvement they have had so much more attention, suggested ideas and votes than many other things. Then when they actually impliment changes they add things like ballons which I never once saw requested. I have posted bug reports here that don't even get a response any more. I have made suggestions that have gotten a lot of votes and response that don't even get responses for Autodesk. Then with things like this it is pretty much like "Well if your idea is on the way to where we plan on going anyway then yeah we will get around to it eventually." The truley sad thing is that in this day and age companies aren't designing software as cross platform from the ground up. Autodesk wants to complain about how hard this would be to impliment that now but that doesn't matter to me because they could have done it from the beginning.
And yes I am a paying user. I am pretty well sucked into F360 now and it is still one of my best options unfortunately so it is likely I will stay with it at least for the forseeable future but that doesn't mean I have been converted to a loyal Autodesk customer. In fact if looking for other software I would likely look elsewhere first before coming back to see what Autodesk offered. Not just because of this but many other things as well. I don't really suggest autodesk products to my friends and business associates because of these issues. The one who I did got massively dicked over on an Inventor subscritption and saw no help until he made it clear he was going back to Solidworks. Now the businesses I do the most work with uses SW and I use Auto Desk so that helped a lot. Plus Inventor really does suck compared to even lower end stuff like Solidworks and Solid Edge so I can't really blame him for bailing when the waters got a little rough.
At least Onshape has the right idea about platform independence although I don't know if a regular web browser would be the way to go about doing it. Unfortunately they have a lot of growing up to do to even catch up with F360. Being more expensive and without CAM The bang for the buck just isn't there.
As for the open source CAD options there are a lot more than you mentioned. Freecad is pretty dang capable for free software. I stopped using it and went on a search for a new CAD program because it wasn't growing fast enough for my needs and changes and improvements were going too slow. I decided I would be willing to pay for CAD to avoid those issues, only to get sucked into the promise that F360 was fully production ready and that big improvements would be rapidly on their way.
We don't do so much CAD that we're willing to install Windows to do it. The Fusion360 model would work perfectly for us if there was a Linux version.
The most expensive software I've ever purchased was $1200 for the full professional version of Eagle, a CAD tool to design schematics and printed circuit boards. I bought the Linux version, over ten years ago when $1200 was a lot of money and there was very little commercial Linux software and I paid a lot of maintenance fees since then. Just sayin'.
I guess we'll muddle along, using FreeCAD and supporting efforts to improve it. I've looked at OpenSCAD and it was surprisingly capable, but isn't quite what we're looking for. Nevertheless, I'd choose it before getting a Windows machine just to run CAD. I guess we need to look into Onshape if AutoDesk doesn't provide a Linux version of Fusion360.
AutoDesk is seriously underestimating the size of the grossly underserved Linux CAD market. There are many like us who won't install Windows to do some occasional CAD who need a Linux CAD/CAM solution, but there are many more who bite the bullet and install Windows to get good commercial CAD software who would love to have a native Linux solution and would flock to Fusion360 if it ran under Linux.
After reading the post from LinuxCADuser, my head started functioning (I think). Could a small software company make a go of it by producing a CAD/CAM and a Fusion-type software for Linux and selling it it to the serious users?? How hard would this be to do?? I am not a programmer, but do have business and CAD experience.
It's the old chicken and egg thing. It's unfortunate, but commercial software developers often ignore Linux because they're convinced that Linux users will only use free software so they don't see the business case. Meanwhile, engineers who use Linux (and there are MANY) are desperate for good software and would gladly pay for it, but there is none... because software companies have convinced themselves that there is no market for such a product. It's a lose-lose situation.
In reality, Linux is now easier to use than Windows, and much easier to maintain. The lack of a few must-have applications is what's preventing a much more widespread adoption of Linux. The applications vary by the user - Photoshop, QuickBooks, Fusion360, etc. Many people keep a Windows machine for the needed app they can't get on Linux and keep that machine firewalled from the internet to prevent infection, and use Linux for their everyday computing needs. Or they have a dual boot machine and only run Windows when they need to CAD. which is a pain. Those people would gladly pay for a Linux port of Fusion360.
My small business now needs better CAD/CAM tools and it's frustrating that the excellent new software isn't being developed using cross platform development tools. I'm sure it's not quite this easy, but Linux support should be a recompile away. My engineering notebook workstation is getting a bit old but it still runs Linux well so I haven't upgraded. I'll get a fire breathing monster of a computer soon, but have no good CAD/CAM software for it. I guess I'll muddle along using LibreCAD and FreeCAD for CAD and PyCAM and hand written G code for CAM. It seems ridiculous to me that at this late date there still isn't a good option for this grossly underserved market.
