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Will Eagle as a standalone product disappear following the Fusion360 integration

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konke.radlow
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Will Eagle as a standalone product disappear following the Fusion360 integration

With the newest update of Fusion360 the integration of electronic design capabilities into Fusion360 has taken a giant leap forward (Blogpost: Introducing Electronics Design in Fusion 360)

On a first glance it looks like almost all features of Eagle have been integrated directly into the Fusion360 user interface. 

 

Can you provide some information about the future plans for the Eagle standalone software? Mainly - will Eagle development be continued alongside the Fusion360 integrated capabilities?

 

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We don’t have a planned date on any “end of life“ of eagle because we know Fusion adds a lot of value but is missing elements of desktop eagle we need to deliver before we can even have that discussion. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t imagine we hold out forever maintaining two code bases that become ever-more divergent. Yet, I will say this to be as reassuring as I can: we aren’t stopping development in the eagle code base this year and we won’t be complete with the complement of features in Fusion that would signal eagle’s waning capability until well-into next year. Neither if those two statements also don’t mean the eagle license you have will stop working because doing a design revision that requires you use a different piece of software is dangerous.

Again being direct and transparent, we have some serious constraints on what we can add to eagle where those things are dependent on a better underlying engine and I can assure you, we are going to hit that wall. That said, a (highly speculative) roadmap is in order I suppose to help explain the “why?”:

1). complex constraints like object to object snapping, better selection mechanisms (hit testing / a new ray casting system)
2). overlays and better layering / layer drawing, layer management, overlays / highlighting etc, sim overlays, thermal results, etc
3). efforts around support for multiple PCBs beginning with basic alignment, 3D snapping, and moving into other areas (I’ll let you imagine & influence where we go with it)
4). fonts, images, etc and better support for graphics in general in PCB and schematic
5). python bindings to eliminate or reduce the current ULP “pseudo-CPP” stuff

...And a host of other stuff are placing strain on eagle in ways it wasn’t designed to handle. Not to mention things like access to tools for panelization, desktop printed circuits, 3D circuit printing and host of other things.

What’s more, we (as a team) also have to hit feature for feature, the equivalent things in eagle to make Fusion more attractive to use than eagle for those of you with the few challenges that the Electronics Workspace in Fusion can’t yet address. We know them. We are working on them right now.

Still, maintaining the interop would ensure you can use them when you need them and return to eagle when you don’t.

We have an eagle release scheduled in fact, planning to ship soon, and including some really vital new things like Splines for more complex board shapes and an overhaul of polygons to make them much more user friendly and support these spline geometries. This will also include support for the new 3D PCB document type that Fusion has today. This will include an update to Fusion Sync and we will have a better overall experience for managing board shape and component positions between ecad and mcad.

In the interest to trying to pin down a time horizon, let me stress that until we have an answer for the things “missing” in Fusion, we wouldn’t make any hasty moves to try and move customers across. It isn’t to our benefit but it does create (healthy) pressure on the development team / product team to really nail this. If I had to guess, we wouldn’t be ready with that for a year and we would take another year to really encourage the migration. The license works for both so for those that don’t see the value, I’ll reassure you that there’s no urgency around shutting the lights off.

Best regards.

Matt Berggren
Autodesk
Message 3 of 10
DFxLab
in reply to: matt.berggren

Thank you for providing a lots of details about next eagle and fusion development.

 

I'm a 100% professionnal linux user and this is the main reason why I choose Eagle rather than some other cad tools. I tried kicad and select Eagle because I beleived that Autodesk will improve eagle and fill the gap with other pro ECAD tools like Altium, Orcad/Pads, .... There is still a lot of room for improvements in term of schematic and pcb features, and I'm a bit worried that all next update will add 3d stuff (3d snap, 3d models, object snapping, ray casting sytem, ...) rather than add usefull layout tools (controlled impedance routing, length tuning with automatic tuning accordions, teardrops, 45° placement and routing, free angle ground hatching, oblong hole, .... ).

 

I'm happy with eagle CAD so far. I use it for 2 years now and designed a lot of professional pcb boards using this tool. I get some random crashes every days and I miss some features but believed that Autodesk will improve Eagle over time. I still don't understand why I was forced to pay for fusion360 as I can't even use it as there is no linux version available...

 

Unfortunately your previous post worried me a bit as if there is no plan to continue to "hold out forever maintaining two code bases", you may discontinue providing eagle to linux users and I'll be completely screwed.

 

I'm afraid that the most reasonable move is to trash my premium Fusion360/Eagle license and switch to some other ECAD tools available to linux users (Kicad, EasyEDA, upverter, ... ? ).

 

Regards,

Message 4 of 10
p.keijzer
in reply to: DFxLab

15-6-2021

I really liked Eagle for it's simple userinterface, and have a lot of PCB designs in eagle.

Now I cannot modify them anymore. That is a desaster for both me, and for my employer.

It is very hard to get in contact with the right people within the labyrinth of autodesk to get things going.

 

So I installed Fusion360. A basic thing like file handling failed.

I now have 4 copies of the schematic and one of the layout somewhere in the cloud. I cannot delete the redundant copies. I do not need the 3D-stuff. I understand there's a lot of work improving fusion, but I cannot wait for that.

I surely hope you make sure there's a link somewhere on internet to eagle standalone that can be found easily, and will also allow to read old designs for both comercial and EDU subscriptions.

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Hi @p.keijzer ,

 

I hope you're doing well. Why can't you modify the designs anymore? EAGLE is still available and you can open your designs in it to make the changes.

You can download EAGLE here
https://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/free-download

If you need to have the Premium entitlement of EAGLE, then you purchase a Fusion 360 entitlement and it will include EAGLE for no additional cost.

 

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

 

Best Regards,



Jorge Garcia
​Product Support Specialist for Fusion 360 and EAGLE

Kudos are much appreciated if the information I have shared is helpful to you and/or others.

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Message 6 of 10
p.keijzer
in reply to: jorge_garcia2

Dear Jorge,



Thank you for your attention. I was worried for a moment because my licence has been turned from (expired) premium into EDU on my request.

Also I have 4 layer 100x160mm designs.

ICT department installed Eagle 9.6.2 free by using the link that you already typed.

Then, - inside the familiar Eagle standalone- I could add components in schematic, but not place them elsewhere in layout.

This typically happens when there is a licencing problem.



Now it seems to be solved.

I probably didn't sign in and open the file in the right follow order.

I can now both read the 2 and the 4 layer designs, and the Eagle standalone version which says: 9.6.2 premium still works marvellously !

A small surprise is that Autodesk does not do technical support for EDU-licences.

Also, though I see the fusion360 environment is quite ambitious, I have no intention to use it if I do not really have to. I do not have a soft spot for 3D and more complexity of the user interface in any sense.



Today 21-6-2021 however, I want to share my happiness with you about the fact that Eagle standalone 9.6.2 is still working as usual !



Thank you! Thank Autodesk!


Message 7 of 10

The new UI in Fusion 360 is horrible. Why be forced to use a whole bloated program when I just want to use Eagle? Its a shame Autodesk ruined Eagle!

Message 8 of 10

Guys, if you provide fusion for Linux, i can understand selling both software under single licence. But isn't it nonsense that Fusion can't run in linux and Eagle can!?

 

From the beginning that was nonsense idea.

 

Unless you make Fusion crossplatform it's really pointless "merge" of licences.


If you can't maintain the Eagle any more, if it is not profitable for you any more, push it to an opensouce. Why not!?

Message 9 of 10

I agree about the userinterface of Fusion360. I don't like to loose pixels on my screen to functionality I'm never going to use.

But I do think Autodesk added serious improvements to the standalone version of Eagle.

I am still trying to get used to the ways of getting and staying in contact with the individual departments of autodesk scattered over time zones which are 9 hrs apart.

I would be willing to die for a decent phone number or emailadress that allows human contact avoiding virtual assistants that send us back to the website over and over again.

What's the use of a well working computer program if it takes 3 weeks yearly to extend the licence ?


Message 10 of 10

I will admit after using it for a while I can see the advantage of having 3d design from which you can easily generate board cutout/shapes from.

 

Wasn't a huge fan of the UI but it takes some getting used to and its not the worst thing.

I do although feel it is too expensive for users who only need pcb design software.

 

The website really does give you a runaround and throws you in a loop if looking for eagle specifically.

I would be willing to die for a decent phone number or emailadress that allows human contact avoiding virtual assistants that send us back to the website over and over again.

Gives you a really modern Kafkaesque kinda feel 😆

 

I did finally see they still have standalone for download, I hope they keep this or add Fusion 360 for linux.

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