Fusion 360 - endless Initializing push to Fusion message

[Anonymous]

Hi Autodesk,

I have started my 30 days trial access to Fusion360 as extension for Eagle.

And I have to say , it does not look like proffesional solution.

Every time I press Fusion 360 ( so sync to fusion ) with fresh project , I have to wait ages  . Usualy I stop after 10 - 15 minutes with "Cancel" button . Then , when I check with fusion - there is no project imported ,but after longer time like 1 - 2 h - project is there.

What is going on ?  

It would be really great to have such tool working fine, but not like this. I am definitely not going to buy/rent it as long as it is like that.

BR

Adam Górski

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @Anonymous,

I hope you're doing well. That is definitely unusual, what type of board are you trying to push to Fusion? Could you provide some information on it's level of complexity (number of nets, components, layers, etc?).

Any additional info you can provide will help us narrow down the issue.

Best Regards,

[Anonymous]

Hi Jorge,

Here is report from PCB Statistics . Tools->Statistics...

Come on, PCB is not that big. I think...

Because it is pretty new tool ( Fusion 360 ) I would expect some problems. But not like that...

If it has some limits - you should say it loud. Obviesly it has and mostly due to on-line approach.

Such application should be completley off-line. 

BR

Adam Górski

[Anonymous]

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[jorge_garcia]

Hello @Anonymous,

You are correct in that the board is not very large, however it's pretty dense. According to this report you have almost 2500 components on this board with some 1500 nets. In any case, it shouldn't be taking that long. I'll bring this up to our developers.

If you are willing to share the file, let me know and I'll DM you my e-mail, that would be helpful in getting this resolved.

Best Regards,

[Anonymous]

Hi Jorge,

Sorry, we do not have NDA signed so can't send project or brd file . If it is important I can ask my manager to start NDA process request for you/your company. Is it ?

If you want me to test something more, I can do that.

Best regards

Adam Górski

[jorge_garcia]

Hello @Anonymous,

I've pinged our developers on this to see what else we can try. Autodesk produces it's own NDAs so worst case, I can request one. Autodesk won't generally accept anyone else's NDAs. Let's see if we can take care of you without having to go that far.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[jorge_garcia]

Hello @Anonymous,

I hope you're doing well. How many different types of components does your design have? In other words how many different entries in your BOM.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,

[Anonymous]

Hi Jorge,

Here is bom for this project in state as it is at the moment.

Many of them has no 3D model yet.

Best regards

Adam Górski

[Anonymous]

Hi Jorge,

Push to Fusion result screenshot.

With result I get.

Adam

[Anonymous]

Hi Jorge,

Do you need something more from me to track down the issue and solve it?

best regards

Adam Górski

[engineeringNCMXB]

Hello @Anonymous 

I started using Eagle/F360 a while ago and initially had some issues. Most of them were order of operations issues and the way I was assembling the parts in Fusion. I eventually worked out the flow and I am regularly working on projects with 10-15 PCB's and complex enclosures - all of which are changing a dozen times per day without any trouble. 

So, not only is it possible, but it is really fast to design integrated systems this way. There are still some buried land mines here and there. 

Some basic hints [not remotely complete]: 
Design the PCB outline in Fusion - push to Eagle to start the design process. 
Don't move parts in Fusion [technically possible, but it has caused problems for me]
         When a part needs to be moved, I just take a measurement in F360, then move it in Eagle. 

I make ALL PCB related changes in Eagle and push to Fusion - except the board outline. 
The PCB will become an ASSEMBLY in Fusion360 which you should leave as-is. When integrating the PCB into an enclosure - just link the PCB. This prevents the various joints from losing references every time you push over a change. 

I have some very complex/high-density PCBs that take about 20-30 seconds max to push. The 'SUCCESS!' window ends up in some weird and unpredictable location but it still works. It has been a very long time since I have had any major issues going back and forth - literally 1000's of push's by now. 

[jorge_garcia]

Hello @Anonymous,

I hope you're having a great day. Right now they are not giving me much hope for an immediate fix. There are just too many parts in the design for the server to be able to complete the processing in the time allotted.

There are things coming down the pipeline that will solve this, but we are a few months out till those are available. I'll bump them again to see if I can get any more information.

Best Regards,

[Anonymous]

Hi,

Thank you very much for your explanation.

It is really great that it works in your case. It work with many projects in my case too, but with some does not.

There is complex pcb and complex pcb in different meaning. It's like with current flow, for one 1A  is a seriouse current, for other just a noise.

Best regards

Adam Górski

[rachaelATWH4]

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@engineeringNCMXB wrote:

I have some very complex/high-density PCBs that take about 20-30 seconds max to push.

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Wow, whatever you are doing we all need to figure out how to do this! Even my simplest of boards take that time to push. Complex ones 5-10 minutes!

Best Regards,

Rachael

[Anonymous]

Hi Jorge,

It is really bad to heare that. That tells me ,programmers never deeply tested their work.

I can really imagine such feature working correctly even without online pushing to remote server and without high processing power.
If this is problem of server provcessing time/power, why you are pushing into this direction ?

Workload will not be lower with time. 

Do you want to make live easier by making project sharing easier ? There is a lot of system for team synchronization.
svn,git , perforce etc. Don't make another one.
This is just my opinion.

Best regards

Adam Górski

[jorge_garcia]

Hello @Anonymous,

I hope you're doing well. We are aware of this limitation and we are working to change directions but it's going to take some time.

Thanks again for sharing your opinion.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,