Is Eagle retired?

[CE3Electronics]

Hi,

I just had the most stressful conversation with sales.  I went to buy another Eagle Premium license and they said it was a discontinued product.

Is it true that Eagle has merged with Fusion to the point that the Eagle software will no longer be available?

Please help.

[jeffg28CLY]

@matt.berggren @jorge_garcia 

So I just got an email, "Removal of EAGLE from some Autodesk subscriptions."

"On Friday, January 22, 2021, Autodesk EAGLE will no longer be included with subscriptions to the Product Design & Manufacturing Collection, FeatureCAM, Moldflow, PowerMill, CFD, and Netfabb products.

You may be relying on that functionality for an active project and we do not want to leave you a tough spot. You will be issued a 1 year subscription to Fusion 360 which includes EAGLE as an entitlement in order to allow you to stay productive and provide time to transition to the Electronics Design workspace inside Fusion 360."

So is that it? Is Eagle done for; no choice but to change to something else?

Icing on the cake:

"If you have questions regarding this change, please contact your support team or [email protected]"

Emails to that address bounce back: "Recipient address rejected. Access denied."

[Anonymous]

Thanks, that is the same impression I am getting. Very nice language that says "Eagle is discontinued but we're happy to collect your subscription fees despite providing no new features unless you switch to our fusion tool."

I get why they would want a fusion tool. But what I am reading is "we will not integrate improvements" which means Eagle is discontinued. Changing the name to de-emphasize Eagle is another tell. Nice model with kicad, definitely looks as good as the ones I did make with Autodesk 360. Shame I spent so much time on those 3d model libraries in Eagle, I definitely feel like a bit of a chump.

[RitchieFromParis]

Sure and note that FUSION with EAGLE don't works at this time ! there is a problem with the libraries and the cloud...

No communications, No warnings...it's incredible...

What a pity !!!!!!! and such a waste !! 

[jorge_garcia]

Hi @jeffg28CLY 

I'm trying to find out more information about that e-mail address to provide more information for you. I've also pinged a few key people on this thread for comment.

Best Regards,

[jeffg28CLY]

Thanks for checking.

Something Autodesk needs to do: If Eagle is going to be EOL/dead, ditch the remote license server and turn it back to a perpetual license. Then it's not stranding current users or leaving them to need to change software packages with no choice.

If changing packages is the only option, some are going to take the opportunity to transition to a competitor's product, and not Fusion 360.

For companies that want or need Eagle to be standalone, offline, non-cloud-based software, a year may not be enough time to transition, if ever. For example, to my knowledge, there is still no way of turning off Fusion 360's automatic updates, nor any way to roll back to a previous version.

That's unacceptable for production software. I've encountered bugs with it in the past that have rendered the software or certain features effectively unusable, and the only solution was to wait days/weeks/months for an update that fixes it.

The hope I'm sure many users had when Autodesk bought Eagle/Cadsoft was that Eagle would be getting an infusion of development resources. Instead, at least based on the small bits of information that I have to go on, it looks to me like it's being pushed into a very differently-styled software package, along with a bunch of unwanted requirements that some companies can not accommodate, and standalone Eagle is being killed off.

[RitchieFromParis]

I tested FUSION Eagle so as not to die stupid and above all to make an effort, and I must admit having criticized it a lot.

But after testing I admit that there are some interesting things, but my tests stopped net since the version of FUSION no longer works to date (libraries problems), and I've been waiting for an update for 15 days.

It is not by being so unreactive that I am going to switch to FUSION, I even had to start a big project with another software (DIPTRACE) ... what a pity.

[RitchieFromParis]

A second update of FUSION in 8 days and problem still present !! I am really starting to saturate, it was obvious that the integration of EAGLE with FUSION would happen this way, you are going to privilege the graphic layer more than the electronics, it was obvious.

[Anonymous]

I was able to open a pretty complicated Eagle board in KiCAD without any errors and immediately see a 3D view of the board in less time than it takes to open Fusion 360.

The parts didn't have 3D models, but that's just a matter of gradually swapping libraries...

It doesn't look like it does autorouting as easily yet. I guess I have until my license runs out at least, I'm certainly not running Fusion 360 in VMware on Linux without graphics acceleration just to use a set of Eagle features plus some other features that aren't in Eagle because the standalone product was deprecated. If improvements aren't getting backported the subscription has questionable value.

I guess that's fine, I'm not sure what customer Autodesk thinks they are trying to get but whomever it is clearly a systems engineer that they hope will force their team to use this for the sake of integrating MCAD and ECAD. I can't blame them, it's a fair move and a noble goal. Trivial case design, interference detection, constraints solving, all kinds of good reasons for it. I am just not going to do it myself, it's much much easier to go to KiCAD instead and it's open source so I don't have to worry in the same way about this happening again.

I wish it were more transparent, it's not that big a deal.

[RitchieFromParis]

Yes KIKAD seems to be more advanced Egale, I tested DIPTRACE and he have very interesting functions.

I wait some days and if no updates done, I will (with more 100 students) quit definitely EAGLE word after more 20 years ago use.

I don't understand why FUSION is so too long to the OPENING !!! and why it's so complicated to update.

I don't understand why there is so little communication from EAGLE team ...

Fortunately, there is Gorge to help us often,  thanks Jorge for your professionalism, but where is the Boss? he is the one guy who should communicate, right?

[mp54de]

@jorge_garcia the first thing that you please need to clarify is is Eagle will continue to work as a standalone product even though its license is (has been for a while, actually) tied to F360. This is absolutely critical for those of us who cannot keep files on the cloud and therefore cannot use F360 for electronic design. 

[RitchieFromParis]

No it's sure now EGALE will no longer works in stand alone, it's confirmed, by the way yes the FUSION Cloud system  is a BIG PROBLEM, I have a problem with the Libraries since 15 days ago , and it seems to be a server problem.

I think Jorge is doing his best, and sometime hopefully it's present to reply at our many question, but I would very interested to hear the BOSS, him alone can explain why these choices.

[didrik.madheden]

I second mp54de's request. Will the last version of EAGLE standalone keep working perpetually, assuming you have a suitable license entitlement? 

[RitchieFromParis]

Yes sure but with no longer update in the futur...

[didrik.madheden]

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@RitchieFromParis wrote:

Yes sure but with no longer update in the futur...

How do you know this? EAGLE, like most/all Autodesk service is using online licensing. If they turn off the server, the downloaded program won't start and is useless. (Unless you find a way to crack it or something.) Autodesk could turn off the licensing servers for standalone EAGLE the moment they discontinue the product, wait one year, or keep the server up forever. Do you have inside info on their upcoming business decisions, or was this announced in detail somewhere? 

[RitchieFromParis]

Hi and happy new year, 

I don't have specific infos other that I read or the EAGLE team gave me, but EAGLE STANDALONE will continue to works sure but no will longer updated, I think it's the EAGLE team replied me in a other POST in this forum.

May be Jorge sorry I didn't remember it.

Do you tested FUSION ? there is some interesting things, but he not work well at this time... 😡

Sorry and thanks to your reply.

[didrik.madheden]

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@RitchieFromParis wrote:

Do you tested FUSION ? there is some interesting things, but he not work well at this time... 😡

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I have tried it, and I can't really get used to the UI. But more important, Fusion doesn't really work at all on Linux which is my main OS! I have a Windows PC as well, but I don't want to go to a different computer than my normal one every time I want to do electronics.

[RitchieFromParis]

Ok I see and I understand, What a pity EAGLE could have been the soft number one, but unfortunately the competition is more advanced ...

WHAT A PITY...😫😫

[mcgyvr]

We were just evaluating Eagle vs Kicad here at work too.. Luckily (and obviously) we went with Kicad. 

Its hands down a better software compared to Eagle. 

We were using Diptrace in the past and ONLY switched away from it because Kicad is free and we have more potential users now as we are growing the Engineering department so we tried to save some money there.. 

I'd recommend anyone not happy with Eagle to switch over to Kicad or Diptrace. Both are easily a better PCB package on virtually all levels. 

[RitchieFromParis]

I understand, DIPTRACE is very advanced and there is many useful functions.

But the MOST IMPORTANT DIPTRACE is very QUICK...

I will test another soft, EasyEDA (Mac et PC) and I will let you know.

what a pity we speak about another CADSOFT on the EAGLE forum...😩😩

Best my friend 

[Anonymous]

From looking at the features it seems comparable to KiCAD except closed source -- anything in particular to recommend DIPTRACE?

I like that I can install kicad with apt-get install and that it runs super fast but I'd be interested in hearing opinions from people who have tried both as to what the pros and cons are.

If DIPTRACE is stable and not going to get abandoned maybe it's worth a look, but at least with open source KiCAD it's unlikely to just get dropped like Eagle (Well, I'm sure we can keep paying a half grand a year to keep using the version from last May, but I won't).

I already had to abandon OrCAD, I really don't want to have to do this again and I'm not so sure proprietary software is compatible with stability anymore with all this cloud stuff, it's all getting discontinued and turned into frankenproducts if the product direction is decided by people who don't actually do PCB design for a living.