Insert block messes up existing

[Anonymous]

Greetings,

This dynamic block has only stretch and move in it. It has a simple hatch in it which gets stretched. One of our guys inserted a new instance of the block from our network, not from the drawing. The existing blocks in the drawing stayed the length that they had been stretched to but showed only as much hatch as is in the original block. If you stretch any of the existing blocks in the drawing, any length and then back to where they started, the hatch fills back in.

It is easier to do this than explain it.

To recreate,

1. insert this block into one of your borders.

2. Stretch it.

3. Insert the block from whatever folder you are saving it in, and say YES to overwrite.

4. You should see the hatch only filled in as much as the original block.

5.  Grab an end of the stretched block in the drawing and stretch it any distance and the hatch fills in.

Question: Is there something I can do with the original block, to stop this from happening? I know that the guy in our office could have just copied the block from inside the drawing or inserted it from the drawing which would not prompt for "Overwrite block", but is there something I need to do to fix the block so it doesn't happen?

Thanks,

Doug

[ahmed.abdelmotey]

working perfect for me, post a sample of the problem

[Anonymous]

Ahmed,

Thanks for looking.

I have attached another block and some PNG files explaining the problem. I am using Autocad LT 2016. Another guy in our office tested this in Autocad 2012 Full version.

After installing the block and stretching it, did you then insert the block from a folder and get prompted to "Redefine" and say "Yes". This is when the problem occurs here.

Thanks,

Doug

[Libbya]

The extremely simple solution is that if you do not want to redefine the block, then do not say YES to redefine it.  What you are describing is not a CAD issue, it is user error.  The redefine option is very useful but as with any useful tool it must be used intelligently.  If a user goes to insert a block and instead redefines it, then that user should be properly chastised and learn to use their tools properly.  

[ahmed.abdelmotey]

the problem is in the way that you redefine the same block .. a block has a definition for the outer rectangle and the hatch grips (even that you set them to associative) .. so when you redefine the block the grips of the hatch gains again the original coordinates and that is why it looks like a problem, when you apply any dynamic action it gets the new boundary and works good .. to avoid that just insert the block and don't redefine it as the definition hasn't been changed anyway that will solve the problem

[Anonymous]

I did tell my guy that he should just copy the block from inside the drawing or insert from inside the drawing. I just thought that there might be some parameter that I could have changed, but I guess not.

Thanks for looking,

Doug

[Libbya · Accepted solution]

Redefining the block rather than creating a new insertion can sometimes cause even more significant issues than what you saw with the hatch.  You might consider creating a tool palette for the various blocks.  The tool palette tools always default to creating a new iteration of the current file's block definition.  The redefine option is hidden on the tool palette right-click menu.    

[Anonymous]

Libbya,

Thanks for the suggestions. I have three other guys here, the youngest one seems the most eager to use new things, like tool palettes, customized pulldowns, etc..

The other guys always want to make their installations of Autocad look like it did in R13, (Not talking 2013 either). I am the oldest employee in the company other than the owner but sometimes I beleive the other guys are just reincarnations of Gabby Hayes, Roy Rogers old sidekick.

Sorry if you aren't from the states and have no reference to Roy Rogers, or if you are from the states and didn't waste your youth watching old cowboy movies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_%22Gabby%22_Hayes

Doug