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Dynamic Callout box with multiline-leader style leader

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Dynamic Callout box with multiline-leader style leader

barry2104
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Hello,

for a particular plan type that I often have to create for a regular client, the client has specific requirements regarding callout boxes which are often needed in the plan. They have provided a callout consisting of two rectangles and a circle, each shape with text inside, along with a single leader (line). Since this callout gets used dozens of times in each plan, I want to create an attributed block for it to streamline my work.

The only part I’m stuck on is to get the leader to be dynamic so that it functions just like a leader in a standard Multiline-Leader (where if I point the end of the leader to the right of the textbox, the start of the leader jumps to the right edge of the textbox, and vice versa). I want to incorporate a „jumping“ leader which can start from either the top left, bottom left, or bottom right corner of my block (the top right has a circle / no corner to comfortably start from).

Can anyone help me out here?

Attached is the original callout from the client and to the right is my block which needs amending to have the dynamic leader. (The leader can just be a line / doesn’t need an arrowhead!)

 

 

I don’t know if it’s possible to make this dynamic block be that smart/dynamic though? If not, then I would settle with having a block with a freely movable leader, starting on the bottom left corner, but „set to the back“ so that if i point the leader north-east of the block, the leader doesn’t cross over, but rather under the block (which has a white hatch behind it).

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attached is an updated version of my block with 4x dynamic (polar array) leaders, of which I'd alway have 3 "hidden" (snapped to the edge of a rectangle nearby).

Obviously as I mention above, it would be much easier to make this smarter so I'd only need one leader which was intuitive enough to switch its start-point to the nearest corner (closest block corner to the leader's end-point).

Also, moving this block using the grip on the bottom left currently moves the leaders with it. Ideally I can get the box to move (using the grip/base point @ bottom left) and have the leader endpoint stay put, akin to a standard multiline-leader

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can no-one confirm at least whether it's possible to have the leader in this block jump to the nearest / most logical corner of the block, just like a typical annotative multiline leader does?

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To get the leader to stay put as the callblock is moved you would use a second move control focused on the callblock,  the control would actually have to be a stretch such that it stretched the leader as the callblock is relocated.

 

If you want to reposition the leader to various corners you could use a lookup table or a block properties table.

This would allow you to define the position of the leader by having a it linked to a move parameter that you set for each instance in the lookup table.  Each row (instance) would have a different position value set there-by providing a move action.

 

Does this Help?

-Tim C.

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@barry2104 Try the attached block it should do exactly what you want

 

 

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Brilliant!
The only other feature that would make this perfect would be to have the end of the leader stay put when the block gets moved by left-clicking the block insertion point, similar to how the text of a multi-leader can be moved and the leader head stays put, but the leader itself stretches accordingly (see screenshots below)

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If this is possible (no idea if/how myself), perhaps it would be better to have the block insertion point in the middle of the block, so that the move-pick-point/node doesn't coincide with a possible leader start-point.


Should I assume that the leader start-points cannot be fixed to the corners of the block, which would help to avoid the possibility of these accidently getting moved/stretched from the wrong (start) end?

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@barry2104  I've updated the block. You need to use the grip which is on the middle horizontal line in at the left. See the image below (use the ringed grip). The drawing is also attached

 

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great work. Thanks a bunch!

The only difference this block has to a classic multiline leader is that after moving the block via the new grip on the left, the leader doesn't automatically snap to the desired corner.

Not a big issue though, I'm very happy with the block as it is.

Thanks again!

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barry2104
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Hi again.

This block is working great, however I've now realised it would save me time if the Attribute "F1" in the top-left box was split so that the "F" was fixed (e.g. as text instead of an attribute) and I then only had to double click on the attribute and type in a number (currently I either have to prefix the number with an "F" or move the mouse to select the number and replace it with another number, leaving the "F" where it was).

 

The same goes for the Area "m²" attribute at the bottom...

The "m²" should be affixed to be close to the right end of its box, and the value (Attribute) should be justified to the right, so e.g. for an area of 1234,56 m², the space between the 6 and the m remains fixed. Typically there are always 2 decimal places and up to 4, sometimes 5 integers (i.e. up to 7 numbers with a decimal point/separator in between)

 

The F1 (Area Number box) varies typically from F1 up to F999, so because the "F" (desired now as Text/MText in that wierd Italicc font style) is a prefix, the following number (Attribute) should be left-justified.

 

I tried doing this myself in Block Editor but couldn't get the polar/stretch movements of the block to move these new "F" and "m²" text fields with the rest of the block. I imagine this change is easy for an expert though and would really appreciate your help!

Have a nice day

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barry2104
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One more thing: I don't suppose it's possible to be able to let the block fill out the m² area automatically, e.g. can one insert the block, pick the end of the leader to move its end point to the desired area/hatch-object, and then prompt it to "link" to the hatch so that the area value in the block is automatically taken as that of the associated hatch?

I've done something similar with fields inside basic M-Text, but that involves many clicks to select the object, choose what characteristic (in this case: Area), define the number of decimal points, etc. I wouldn't know how to build that into the dynamic block anyway, and even if that method was the best/only way, it would likely take more time to go through the Fields dialogue than just to type in the area of the hatch in the attribute-field by hand.

Downside to "by hand" is simply that there is more margin for typos when manually entering >100 values/fields, and if one hatch gets resized later, the area needs to get updated again manually - which can on occasion be forgotten!

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Hello,
I have downloaded and analyzed the latest version of Callout.dwg, and it is brilliant, as I was looking for something similar, but I don't understand how it works. How can I add to the list the vertex in the upper right corner? In lookup table, I add the coordinates of that vertex, but it ignores it. What does that lookup action depend on? I need to know. Thanks!

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Do you need a functionality as shown here?

 

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    If yes, you only need to change this value in the Lookup2 table

     

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    from currently 4 to 6. 

     

    Or do you need additional to the current snap points a new snap point at the upper right corner? 

    Then examine the attached file. 

     

    If one of these meets your goal and you can not see how it works let me know. I will try to explain the "background secrets". 

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    Hi @j.palmeL29YX ! Thank you very much for answering!

    Yes, I want to add more snap points to the existing ones. The file you have sent does just that, with a new snap point in the upper right corner, as you rightly point out.

    I had already performed this operation, but it did not work. I do not know why. I also don't know why changing the values I indicate below, it also stops working.

    Captura de pantalla 2023-05-01 213213.png

    Now I have tried adding another snap point to the dynamic block you have sent, and it still does not work. This is what I have entered, in case it helps.

    Captura de pantalla 2023-05-01 213447.png

    I don't know why it doesn't work for me

     

     

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    miguelbagh
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    Excuse me, @j.palmeL29YX 

    The correct picture of values is this:
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    The second row is the only one that does not execute.

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    j.palmeL29YX
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    If you want additional snap points you also need additional lines in the other table (Lookup1). Didn't you see in my file? 

    Post your dwg please and also a sketch where we can see which points you want to snap. 

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    I suspected there was another table that I can't see, but it doesn't appear. I'm using AutoCAD 2020, I don't know if it's a compatibility issue, but it shouldn't be.

    I also retrieved the file you sent and it found an error.

    This is what I see on screen:

    Hidden Table.png

    I am sending you the file, to see if we can find out where the problem is. Or also, upload the screenshot of that table that I can't see and add it manually, please.

    Thank you!

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    Lookup tables visible.pngSet BACTIONBARMODE to 0, then you can see (and edit  😉 ) all lookup tables

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    miguelbagh
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    Oh, my God! That was it! I can see it now! I didn't know this variable exists, it's a bit confusing.

    Mystery solved! I was going crazy 😂😂😂

    Thank you so much and have a nice day! 

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    We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
    AgrantSEM
    We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
    Bidtellect
    We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
    Bing
    We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
    G2Crowd
    We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
    NMPI Display
    We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
    VK
    We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
    Adobe Target
    We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
    Google Analytics (Advertising)
    We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
    Trendkite
    We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
    Hotjar
    We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
    6 Sense
    We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
    Terminus
    We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
    StackAdapt
    We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
    The Trade Desk
    We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
    RollWorks
    We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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