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Rally need help with Corridor Surface Triangulation

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Anonymous
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Rally need help with Corridor Surface Triangulation

Hello, I have strange problem with corridor surface triangulation. Maybe I do something wrong for corridor from the start? As can be seen in pics that I attached, there's some surface degradation that I can not understand. At first look everything seems ok, but when I go to Realistic Visual Style something happens :)... End when I try to render this, I get more uglyer result than this shown...
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Message 21 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Link has changed into...

https://dshop.diino.net/getafile/GDKCXWID99XLAFO6KXW5ROJI16J2G0F/ok.dwg
Message 22 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

anybody
?
Message 23 of 49
Matt.Anderson
in reply to: Anonymous

It appears you have a jitter setting in your visual styles that causes your REALISTIC style to look - well, jittery.
Matthew Anderson, PE CFM
Product Manager
Autodesk (Innovyze)
Message 24 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I've experimented with VSEDGEJITTER, but it doesn't changed appearance of my triangle faces...;/
Message 25 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

link is dead
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
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Message 26 of 49
Matt.Anderson
in reply to: Anonymous

I don't have the drawing at the office to search out the difference in Edge Settings - but it was impossible to view your triangulation with your edge settings because of the Jitter in all of your 3d viewstyles.

I am attaching the Realistic Visual Styles settings that I think are the out of the box settings. These and the conceptual help me visuallize the surface if I need to troubleshoot something.

Matthew Anderson, PE
anderson at jaseng dot com
Matthew Anderson, PE CFM
Product Manager
Autodesk (Innovyze)
Message 27 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Here's another link to the file of my intersection.

https://dshop.diino.net/getafile/7MTH6WO6MDXK1E58VMVZVPGSNGUP14A/Azuolo12.dwg
Message 28 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

Here are a few things that will help you.

You have some odd triangulation in the center of your intersection which I fixed quickly by adding the "links as breaklines" and adding a few of the corridor feature lines as breaklines.

More to come.
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
Learn More About BIM for Infrastructure
Message 29 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

From a modeling perspective, those triangles around your curb lines look really good- there aren't any blow triangles in the TIN. That is good news.

It must be an issue with the visual style. Let me try that.
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
Learn More About BIM for Infrastructure
Message 30 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

When I look at the TIN alone, it's fine. The color differences are due to light/shadow.

I will look at the corridor object itself next.
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
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Message 31 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

I've looked at it from every direction, and your triangulation around the curbs etc (which is where you are pointing in the first two imags you posted) is 100% perfect. I've atteched another image where you can see the color differences, but like I said before, i think it's just a light/shadow thing.

The main rule for anything in Civil 3D is that if it looks good- if it looks like curb, if you quick profile it and it looks right- that it is right. Unless you have to render it (do you?) I think you are 100% good here.



This is an amazing corridor model, by the way.
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
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Message 32 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

sorry for the 100 posts in a row,

I did run the -render and got the same results. I think its a setting issue that could be fixed with some lighting, etc. It is not a reflection that the model is bad.
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
Learn More About BIM for Infrastructure
Message 33 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ok, thank you very much, everything is clearer now and I'm 30 times happier, cause at least my model is correct. I know that some tricks could save me in rendering, but still it would be better if everything would look nice and smooth, cause from this model I will try to get animation in 3dsmax and if I export the model there, it gets also a bit dirty (in places of color difference). My client will need the best I can give him and its a bit nervous bagatelle that doesn't let me sleep well :)... I also thought of some setting tick that could do the job right, but I've tried so many variations in different places that I don't even know where I could do more changes (it's my lack of deep knowledge to this product). So I will ask you if it's possible to let me hear if something will come out for you. I believe that for specialist it could be the few minutes business, but for me it's taking a lot longer ;))...
Message 34 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hmm.. 🙂
Message 35 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

If there's some suggestions from others it's a new working link

https://dshop.diino.net/getafile/4DQXKI5OIEA5QCEQ1O0XGCUGAOKRE7I/Azuolo12.dwg
Message 36 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

have you tried rendering with a code set?
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
Learn More About BIM for Infrastructure
Message 37 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

hmm, what code set?
Message 38 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

ok, code set doesn't made any difference. I don't understand, it's just me who gets such a results in corridor surfaces or what? I've tried to do corridors in father's PC and there was the same result, I tried to do corridors in C3D 2008/2009 and I've got the same results, bad triangulation and impossible rendering. What's wrong with C3D? I am giving you my file again, maybe some day I will see it rendered correctly...

https://dshop.diino.net/getafile/2YKK3GH24YPB1RD3Y70JSP7ZCST544K/Azuolo12.dwg
Message 39 of 49
dana.probert
in reply to: Anonymous

the code set renders the corridor itself, not the corridor surface.

in complete honesty, code set or not, rendering a road scene in the autocad environment is an exercise in insanity. There are other options. I just saw a thread on it in the past few days where people were posting sample renderings done in RDV and other packages.
Dana Probert, P.E.
Technical Marketing Manager, Civil Engineering
Autodesk
Blog: BIM on the Rocks
Learn More About BIM for Infrastructure
Message 40 of 49
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Yes, I turned off triangulation in my surface style, turned on Code Set named "All" or something like that and faces were damaged the same way. I would like to render my model in other applications, but as I said if I export these surfaces to 3dmax or other applications, triangulation is damaged and incorrect (but Civil doesn't show that, it shows just the color differences). I see there's no one else who gets the same problem and I don't understand why.

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