Plug Structures 2013 vs. 2015

[jporter]

I've been looking for this answer for some time now and have come up short everywhere.  I have a client that has a plug structure that was working as he wanted in 2013.  They just made the move to 2015 and now the structure is no longer editable.  Take a look at the screencast:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/cc5e6736-369a-4805-a033-1f874321c6e3  

[jporter]

I've been looking for this answer for some time now and have come up short everywhere.  I have a client that has a plug structure that was working as he wanted in 2013.  They just made the move to 2015 and now the structure is no longer editable.  Take a look at the screencast:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/cc5e6736-369a-4805-a033-1f874321c6e3  

[sirjoelsph]

In the structure properties it looks like you have this part defined from an original headwall part.  Inlet and Outlet structures are not designed to work with typical Rim Behavior and I believe that is why it is not letting you define the rim elevation that you want.  Have you tried turning off Automatic Surface Adjustment and dragging it in the profile (you turn it back to true in the video before trying)?

Another option, and probably a much longer approach, is to redefine this part as any type of junction structure instead of being an inlet outlet structure.  That should give you more control over adjusting the rim elevation as you are used to in 2013.

[sirjoelsph]

In the structure properties it looks like you have this part defined from an original headwall part.  Inlet and Outlet structures are not designed to work with typical Rim Behavior and I believe that is why it is not letting you define the rim elevation that you want.  Have you tried turning off Automatic Surface Adjustment and dragging it in the profile (you turn it back to true in the video before trying)?

Another option, and probably a much longer approach, is to redefine this part as any type of junction structure instead of being an inlet outlet structure.  That should give you more control over adjusting the rim elevation as you are used to in 2013.

[jporter]

@sirjoelsph, thanks for the reply and I apologize for the late response.  

I have tried turning off Automatic Surface Adjustment and dragging it in the profile with no luck. 

I then took your advise dna created and junction structure in my parts list in 2015.  I then used the same style the user is using.  I get close but no cigar. I cannot get the structure centered on the pipe no matter what settings I adjust:

I think I'm in the ballpark, but I'm just missing something.  

[jporter]

@sirjoelsph, thanks for the reply and I apologize for the late response.  

I have tried turning off Automatic Surface Adjustment and dragging it in the profile with no luck. 

I then took your advise dna created and junction structure in my parts list in 2015.  I then used the same style the user is using.  I get close but no cigar. I cannot get the structure centered on the pipe no matter what settings I adjust:

I think I'm in the ballpark, but I'm just missing something.  

[sirjoelsph]

I can take a closer look if you're able to send along a drawing and the pipe catalog.

[sirjoelsph]

I can take a closer look if you're able to send along a drawing and the pipe catalog.

[jporter]

Sorry for the late response here.  I was getting permission from the client to see if I can post it and he was out sick.  

Attached you will find the drawing that I used in the example along with the pipe catalog they sent to me.  

Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

[jporter]

Sorry for the late response here.  I was getting permission from the client to see if I can post it and he was out sick.  

Attached you will find the drawing that I used in the example along with the pipe catalog they sent to me.  

Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

[sirjoelsph · Accepted solution]

I wasn't able to fully test it since you also need to include the other folders within the Pipes Catalog folder, not just the Structures and Pipes.  I did test what I could with your styles.  It all seems to be how your block attaches to the structure.  You have both the option of Rim and Sump in profile viewing, but neither of these options will work the way you have your block drawn (block insertion point).  I was able to force it to work by disconnecting your plug structure from the pipe and then it let me position it anywhere vertically that I wanted.  If you keep it attached, the parts have a minimum distance from the pipe up to the rim and a minimum distance from the pipe down to the sump that it is not letting you drag your block into that range.  It's a little difficult to explain so I hope that helps a little.

I do not know why it works in 2013 since it really shouldn't the way the parts are built.  I am using 2014 and I believe I was having the same issue you were in 2015.

[sirjoelsph · Accepted solution]

I wasn't able to fully test it since you also need to include the other folders within the Pipes Catalog folder, not just the Structures and Pipes.  I did test what I could with your styles.  It all seems to be how your block attaches to the structure.  You have both the option of Rim and Sump in profile viewing, but neither of these options will work the way you have your block drawn (block insertion point).  I was able to force it to work by disconnecting your plug structure from the pipe and then it let me position it anywhere vertically that I wanted.  If you keep it attached, the parts have a minimum distance from the pipe up to the rim and a minimum distance from the pipe down to the sump that it is not letting you drag your block into that range.  It's a little difficult to explain so I hope that helps a little.

I do not know why it works in 2013 since it really shouldn't the way the parts are built.  I am using 2014 and I believe I was having the same issue you were in 2015.

[jporter]

Thanks!!!  You confirmed my thoughts.  I'll play with this a bit more, but outside of that it's some customization that needs to be done.  

Thanks for all your help!

[jporter]

Thanks!!!  You confirmed my thoughts.  I'll play with this a bit more, but outside of that it's some customization that needs to be done.  

Thanks for all your help!