Label text is bigger in Layout view?

[akaufmanJR3FV]

Hello all,

I have a drawing with several points with labels. When viewed in the Model view, all of the labels look fine, but when I go into the Layout view all of the labels in the viewport change to a huge size and the text fills up the entire screen. I've changed the view scale in the Layout, which fixed the issue, but whenever I switch tabs the labels go back to their original, huge size.

A picture is attached of what I'm seeing.

Does anyone know how to keep the text/scale size to the value I set? I'm trying to split a drawing into four quadrants using four Layout views so that the labels can be read easier.

Thank you,

Adam K

[Anonymous]

Did you set the view scale in all tabs?

[akaufmanJR3FV]

Yes, I have.

[Anonymous]

If you "regenall" it should update in all drawings.

[akaufmanJR3FV]

REGENALL only reverts the labels again. If I change the scale of the drawing on the Layout tab to 1" = 1' (same as Model), or synchronize the viewport and annotation scales, then the labels appear as normal. But when I change the tab, go into a different window, or enter a command, the labels change back. Locking the viewport doesn't work, either (not that I think it would have, but it's the only other thing that makes sense).

[Anonymous]

1" = 1' is a very small scale for this application. I would recommend changing the height of the text for your labels so that they are smaller to show up correctly in paper space.

[g_k50]

Have you tried to set the text style of the point so that the text style is not an annotative style?

[akaufmanJR3FV]

By turning it into a block? I'm sorry, I'm not very experience with AutoCAD; I'm not sure how change it from an annotative style.

[wfberry]

let's go back to your Model  1" =1'.

You will have your best luck if you change your model scale to reflect the scale you want to plot. 

Bill

[g_k50 · Accepted solution]

Check your text styles.  If they have a blue Icon to the left it means they are associative and can change size depending on the annotation scale set at the lower right side of your window.  Scale is very important in creating good drawings.  Everything you do in model space should be created in the actual size.  Civil Engineers use 1 unit of AutoCAD Civil 3D length to equal 1 foot.  Architects like to use 1 unit of AutoCAD to equal 1 inch.  Then if you are working outside the US you might use the Metric System.

So you have a model created in Model Space, and you want to print it out on a piece of paper.  How big the paper is limits your scale.  If you have 1000 feet by 1000 feet and you want to plot it on a letter sized piece of paper you have to use a scale that allows you to do that.  5 inches = 1000 feet, so you have a scale of 1 inch = 200 feet.  

Now using the same model you might want to plot on a 24x36 inch piece of paper so you wouldn't use the same scale.  AutoCAD Civil 3D allows you to use the same text but at different annotation scale so you don't have to write the text all over again at a different size.  The text that allows the automatic changing of text size is called associative, as opposed to non associative.  The icon looks like a three bladed airplane prop or a Mercedes Benz badge without the ring around it.

After you determine a text style that is not annotative, make note of it's name.

Then go to the Toolspace>Settings>Point>Label Styles> 

See which style of point label you are using by the triangle icon  Right click on the name and click edit

go to the General Tab, under Label, set the Text Style to a non associative type of text that you made note of above.  That should fix your problem.

But don't worry, there's plenty more problems ahead, welcome to AutoCAD Civil 3D

[akaufmanJR3FV]

Sorry, looks like I forgot about this post in my frustration 😕

I came back to reread some suggestions after coming across this problem again, and yours helped me understand how to finally get the size the way I wanted it. Learning a bit more about Civil in the meantime helped, too.

Thank you!

Adam K

[jacob.dwyer]

Nifty bit of trivia: The annotation symbol is what you get when you look end on at an engineering or architectural scale bar:

 I recently noticed this. I was pretty excited when I figured it out.

[Anonymous]

Hello Civil 3D users, 

I am having a problem and no solution even though i have tried to search all along.

I have my profiles and layout with image in the model space, with scales and annotation that i want. But, when i want to use them in paper space all of the texts are suddenly too big. Kindly help me solve this.

I have read your response but still doesn't work,it's either I don't understand it well or something is still wrong.please help me find a solution for this.

Attached is the dwg file i am working on.

Best regards,

Fabrice

[akaufmanJR3FV]

Hello Fabrice,

While I am definitely not the most experienced with this stuff, this is what helped me when I was having the issue that caused me to create this thread:

In your Model space, you have your scale set to 1:1000, which is what you said you want your scale to be.

In Paper space, make sure that your viewport has the same annotation scale as your Model space. From there, you have to size your viewport to accommodate your drawing.

The black square on the left is your original viewport size (more or less). On the right is the enlarged viewport. And from there I just select the viewport as the print area and set it to fit to the size of the paper. Although, the work I do does not have to be to scale, so I can be a bit lazier when setting this up. But generally I just set up my title block for a 36x48" piece of paper, add the viewport, and adjust my annotation scales afterwards to best accommodate my drawing.

Anyways, hoped that helped. But it probably didn't 

Good luck,

Adam K

[Anonymous]

Dear Adam K,

Thank you very much for your response it has helped me a lot

[Anonymous]

I have a new challenge now,

I have created the polyline and surface for new profiles that i am drawing.

However, after creating the profile i have realised that it is stoping at some points and back after a few meters. this will result in a profile that has interruptions.

Could you know of a way of dealing with this?

Please find attached a dwg files showing the same

Regards

Fabrice

[akaufmanJR3FV]

Fabrice,

I've never dealt with any of that, so I wouldn't be able to help - sorry. My knowledge of Civil is very limited.

Adam K

[JustinSider]

I'm having the same problem.. In model space it looks sweet, bring it over to layout and you can't even read the text, nothing like regular AutoCAD... .Civil 3D always makes things so difficult and I don't know why.  I usually just get my plan and profiles that I need, explode them and bring them into regular autoCAD where things are normal and not as many glitches and dumb settings that you have to click through a million forms to get to.  

This project I'm on I really tried to have all my settings correct and do it all the way to the end in Civil 3D.  I made a simple plan and profile in about 4hrs, I've spent the last 28hrs trying to mess with the labels!  ridiculous!  I've lost faith in Civil 3D, I'm always going to  explode now and modify text manually (after I've made a copy of the drawing of course).  Most of the time I spent researching how to do things and every response is work arounds and programming.  Why waste my time when it's quicker to do it manually.

[akaufmanJR3FV]

I feel your pain...

The one way that I've been able to avoid dealing with label issues is to worry about them after I have my layouts set up. Adjusting labels in Model Space before seeing how the actual design looks and fits in Paper Space always messes them up for me.

This is what I do:

1. Add your design to Model Space.
2. Set up your design to the appropriate scale in Paper Space.
3. Adjust your Model Space annotation scale to match your Paper Space.
4. Adjust global label size as needed, without touching the scales.

This works for me every time; I haven't had any label issues since I started doing this about a year ago. I'm still learning about Civil 3D though so there may be a better way, but this is what I do. Hopefully it helps.

If you want to reply with your drawing, I can take a look and see if I can get the labels to display correctly for you?