Label- Point Number Issue

[F.Camargo]

Hello guys!
How are you?

I am tryng to create a label style to number and surface text.

I've tried surface and note labels with no success.

 

I need some help guys!!

Thank in advance

Fabricio

 

[AllenJessup]

I'm not at a computer right now and I can't zoom in on your images on my phone. But off the top of my head...

I think you need a point label style that includes reference text for the surface elevation. 

[cwr-pae]

You can't get reference text in a point label ;(. How ever, you can get a surface elevation for points and have it show. Select all the points you want to set to a surface elevation for and right click, in the menu pick "Elevation from Surface" and then select your surface in the pop up. You can select the points quicker and easier if you give them a unique description and use that to put them in a group.

It's also possible to use a gravity pipe network part to read the surface and number each "structure" to give the same effect. Network structures can use any block to represent the object placed. I'm don't know enough about pressure networks to address their suitability for this kind of use.

[rl_jackson]

If I'm viewing your image correctly the Point # is not available for Surface Spot Labels only Point Label Styles without reference text.

[ChrisRS]

I think that you are doing this correctly.

It looks like you are using a Surface Spot elevation Label Style with a reference Ccompont for the Point Number.

Unresolved reference components display as ???.

This works for me using a Surface Spot Elevation label.

When you place a spot elevation label with a reference component, you are prompted to select the referenced object.

In this case, you are asked to select the surface being referenced,
then the label location, and finally,
the COGO point being referenced.

If you skip selecting the cogo point [ESC], the reference is not resolved, resulting in ???.

1. COGO Point number 1 is indicated by the X marker.
   There is a spot elevation label snapped to point 1 location. This label properly references point 1.
   The spot elevation label has a triangle marker. 
2. This spot elevation label references point 1 even though it is not located at point 1.
   The spot elevation label has a triangle marker. 
3. This is a spot elevation label that is not located at point 1.
   The spot elevation label has a triangle marker. 
   It does not reference point 1. (See properties.)
   Because point 1 is not referenced, the label component shows ???. "

1. and 2. The labels are properly referenced to point 1 and the label is displayed as intended.  

It looks like you are editing a Surface Spot Elevation label.
Your second screen clip looks like a cogo point reference. It looks OK to me.

I suspect that the cogo point was not clicked on (referenced) when you placed the spot elevation label in model space. You can correct that by clicking the green Reference Text Objects icon and manually selecting the appropriate spot elevation.

Observations:

1. Surface spot evaluation labels can reference cogo point numbers that are nowhere near the surface spot elevation label location.
   This may not be a good thing.
2. Using a point label with a surface elevation reference seems more logical to me.
   Unfortunately, point labels do not include reference components.
   
   

[F.Camargo]

Hello @ChrisRS 

I've already tried cogo point, and isn't working for me too.

What that windows in cogo points means. Can I get any prefix in that numbers?

"It looks like you are editing a Surface Spot Elevation label."

No. That's avaliable surface named "Terreno Projeto".

Fabricio

[F.Camargo]

@cwr-pae 

"Select all the points you want to set to a surface elevation for and right click, in the menu pick "Elevation from Surface" and then select your surface in the pop up. You can select the points quicker and easier if you give them a unique description and use that to put them in a group."

I was trying to create a label description and insert the number manually. But isn't working,

"t's also possible to use a gravity pipe network part to read the surface and number each "structure" to give the same effect. Network structures can use any block to represent the object placed. I'm don't know enough about pressure networks to address their suitability for this kind of use."

So, I am not using any pipe network and pressure network objects.

Fabricio

[cwr-pae]

You can use point name instead of number, it can be anything from N1 to Lucky to 100. You can't have duplicate names, but using the descriptions you can effectively have duplicate names, or whatever. You can have the label style put anything in the text component, before or after, with the point number.

You can put a structure using a block that is built internally on a none plotting layer to label any point with a name or number and a surface elevation. Just because it says it's a pipe network doesn't limit you to just using it as a pipe network.

[F.Camargo]

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@cwr-pae  escreveu:

You can use point name instead of number, it can be anything from N1 to Lucky to 100. You can't have duplicate names, but using the descriptions you can effectively have duplicate names, or whatever. You can have the label style put anything in the text component, before or after, with the point number.

You can put a structure using a block that is built internally on a none plotting layer to label any point with a name or number and a surface elevation. Just because it says it's a pipe network doesn't limit you to just using it as a pipe network.

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@cwr-pae 

Can you make a example for me, please?

I've already tried differents options with no success.

Thanks

[cwr-pae]

See attached file for point label examples.

[cwr-pae]

Attached has pipe label example. Almost everything can be changed in the properties palate (ctrl+1) or the Structure properties window (right click and find structure properties).

[ChrisRS]

Comments ins Orange.

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@F.Camargo wrote:

Hello @ChrisRS 

I've already tried cogo point, and isn't working for me too.

What that windows in cogo points means.
That window is used to select the reference object. In this case, it is a list of the points in the drawing. If the point's name property is populated, it will appear in the list. Name is a useful property of many Civil 3D objects, but it would be more beneficial to show the point number for COGO Points. The only method I can make work is by clicking on one of the green icons and selecting the cogo point in the drawing window. Cogo points will need to be displayed to select them.

Can I get any prefix in that numbers?

Not directly.

1. You can include a prefix in the reference component, as your screenshots show.
   That default prefix can be edited manually on a label-by-label basis. "Edit Label Text."
   This is probably the most reliable method.
   
2. If you populate the Name property, you can include any text you want.
   You would use a reference text component that points to the point name property.
   For example, the name of point 1 could be "Pt. No. 1," or "PT #1," or even "Pt. No. 2"
   This seems risky to me.

"It looks like you are editing a Surface Spot Elevation label."

No. That's avaliable surface named "Terreno Projeto".
The first line of the Properties Pallet shows that the selected object is a "Surface Elevation Label."

Fabricio

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I think we may be having some communication difficulties. Feel free to follow up.

I hope that this helps. Good luck!

[ChrisRS]

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@cwr-pae wrote:

See attached file for point label examples. (Drawing5.dwg.)

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Very nice, @cwr-pae.

This method requires moving the point to the target surface elevation.

If the point needs to remain at elevation, say the surveyed elevation, another method will be needed.

Knowing the "what and why" that @F.Camargo is looking to accomplish would help choose the best approach.

[ChrisRS]

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@cwr-pae wrote:

Attached has pipe label example. Almost everything can be changed in the properties palate (ctrl+1) or the Structure properties window (right click and find structure properties).      (Drawing6.dwg)

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Very nice, @cwr-pae.

For those. like me, not familiar with Pipe Structures and Structure Labels:

The reference surface is a Structure Part Property, not a Label property.

Knowing the "what and why" that @F.Camargo is looking to accomplish would help choose the best approach.

[F.Camargo]

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@cwr-pae  escreveu:

See attached file for point label examples.

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Hi @cwr-pae 

That solution is awesome!!!

I've already tried to that option with cogo point, but isn't working because i couldn't set existing surface for point elevation. I don't see "Text Reference" to set my surface.

How can I set a existing surface in my point elevation?

I just need set my surface to be done!

Fabricio

[F.Camargo]

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@cwr-pae  escreveu:

Attached has pipe label example. Almost everything can be changed in the properties palate (ctrl+1) or the Structure properties window (right click and find structure properties).

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That solution is good too...

But I neet to insert structure first, that structure could be a point as a block too. It is great solution!! Thanks

Cogo Point label seems to be a better way for me, but I need insert my surface on point elevation label first. And I don't How to do that.

Fabricio

[F.Camargo]

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@ChrisRS  escreveu:

Comments ins Orange.

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@F.Camargo wrote:

Hello @ChrisRS 

I've already tried cogo point, and isn't working for me too.

What that windows in cogo points means.
That window is used to select the reference object. In this case, it is a list of the points in the drawing. If the point's name property is populated, it will appear in the list. Name is a useful property of many Civil 3D objects, but it would be more beneficial to show the point number for COGO Points. The only method I can make work is by clicking on one of the green icons and selecting the cogo point in the drawing window. Cogo points will need to be displayed to select them.

Can I get any prefix in that numbers?

Not directly.

1. You can include a prefix in the reference component, as your screenshots show.
   That default prefix can be edited manually on a label-by-label basis. "Edit Label Text."
   This is probably the most reliable method.
   
2. If you populate the Name property, you can include any text you want.
   You would use a reference text component that points to the point name property.
   For example, the name of point 1 could be "Pt. No. 1," or "PT #1," or even "Pt. No. 2"
   This seems risky to me.

"It looks like you are editing a Surface Spot Elevation label."

No. That's avaliable surface named "Terreno Projeto".
The first line of the Properties Pallet shows that the selected object is a "Surface Elevation Label."

Fabricio

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I think we may be having some communication difficulties. Feel free to follow up.

I hope that this helps. Good luck!

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@ChrisRS 

I really appreciate you take your time to help me. It's very useful and I am learning a lot!

My point list is a mess, I couldn't see the numbers. 

I think i am near to get solved my task with your help guys.

cogo points seems to be a better way:

N1 = Point Number

520,00m = Point Surface (Existing Surface)  <- Can be set a exist surface?

[cwr-pae · Accepted solution]

The text component is the normal point label component. To set the point elevation to a surface, select the point (or several points or all points in a point group or drawing, etc.), right click and find the command "Elevations from Surface" in the menu and click that, then pick your surface. Note these point elevations are not dynamic, if the surface changes or you move the point you will have to reset them.

[lim.wendy]

@F.Camargo ,

Thank you for bringing up this issue, and I enjoy the engaging discussion taking place here. 

I'm sure we're all eager to hear your thoughts on the best approach to resolving this.

[F.Camargo]

@cwr-pae 
Thank you!! Worked Fine!! 🙌