Civil 3d as Autocad 2023
Thank you.
I guess that I don't fully understand what Civil 3D as AutoCAD actually meant.
When I open a drawing with 2022 C3D as AutoCAD, add one line, and save, I get a 24 KB file.
When I open a drawing with 2022 C3D, add one line, and save, I get a 941 KB file.
When I open a drawing with 2023 C3D select Drafting and Annotation workspace, start a new drawing using acad.dwt, add one line, and save, I get a 442 KB file.
When I open a drawing with 2023 C3D, add one line, and save I get a 946 KB file.
Something seems different between 'Civil 3D 2022 as AutoCAD' and 'Civil 3D 2023 Drafting and annotation workspace' drawings.
Is size the only difference or is there C3D info included that will trigger the need of a C3D object enabler for use with AutoCAD?
EDIT: 05-08-22 - I created a shortcut as @Jeff_M suggested.
The resulting Acad.dwt based one line file is 32 KB, vs 442 KB for the Civil 3D Drafting and Annotation version.
(I have found this it be repeatable. Purge All, Audit Y and - Purge R *n, does not help.)
I am not an expert, but it seems that there something extra in the file.
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Like @ВeekeeCZ, I do not want to install AutoCAD. I do not have it installed and I have not needed it.
I understand your answer and have read the Release Notes.
I just don't understand what it means from a practical standpoint.
Some clarification would be very useful.
I have attached the '2023 Civil 3D with Drafting and Annotation workspace' file.
I would greatly appreciate it if someone would open it in AutoCAD to see if it requires the C3D Enabler?
Christopher Stevens
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Just copy the C3D 2023 shortcut, rename it to C3D 2023 As AutoCAD, edit the target like so:
"C:\Program Files\Autodesk\AutoCAD 2023\acad.exe" /p "AutoCAD" /product "ACAD" /language en-US
Use the same language option that the original shortcut used.
Now you have the same functionality as you had in previous versions.
HI, @michal.holda.
This is a follow-up to my previous comment. (Post No. 5)
I was aware of Autodesk dropping the shortcut and had already read the release note (Known Issues).
I understand that this is the Autodesk official line.
The problem is, the suggested method, results in bloated files.
@Jeff_M has noted a much better solution.
Please forward Jeff's solution up the line. Updating the Release notes would be a good idea.
I have one remaining questions.
WHY??????? (Yes- All caps indicates yelling.)
I would really like to know. I also want to know what the apparently permanent overhead shoved into every pseudo "AutoCAD" file is and does. Disk space is not the only problem. I am unconvinced that this extra baggage is 'mostly harmless'.
I suspect that the existence of the Shortcut is problematic to some Cad Mangers.
Coming from a small shop, I would note that users without the support of a cad manager are less able to figure out workarounds than cad managers are.
I am fully aware that small shops and individual users are not Autodesk's bread and butter.
Christopher Stevens
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@ChrisRS wrote:
I have one remaining questions.
WHY??????? (Yes- All caps indicates yelling.)
I would really like to know. I also want to know what the apparently permanent overhead shoved into every pseudo "AutoCAD" file is and does. Disk space is not the only problem. I am unconvinced that this extra baggage is 'mostly harmless'.
The problem with the suggested 'solution' for C3D 2023 is that you are still starting C3D with a C3D profile, regardless of the Workspace you use. Which means when you start a new drawing, even from a blank ACAD.DWT, C3D loads in all of the Basic/Standard styles and settings, hence the much larger file size. This is why my solution works to actually load AutoCAD without the C3D bloat, I specifically start the session with the AutoCAD profile and do not call the /ld ....AecBase.dbx in the shortcut.
Thanks Jeff,
That clarifies it. It looks like this excess baggage is indeed "mostly harmless".
Interestingly, my doctor seems to think that the extra 30 pounds that I haul around with me is not mostly harmless!
Christopher Stevens
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@FrankK_at_Creos Yes, the ACAD should have double quotes: "ACAD". I've updated my original post to reflect this.
Yes, it loads without any C3D overhead.
