Annotation Scaling Not Working

[ksorsby]

Evening all,

A weird one. My Civil 3d objects have suddenly lost the ability to automatically rescale themselves according to the annotation scale.

I can change the scale and all labels, profile views etc. don't resize themselves automatically anymore - but normal cad text, multileaders, dims still do.

For example, I'm at 1:500 and I change to 1:200. All Civil 3D objects remain visually the same so I edit a label then click 'OK' straight away then it redraws that label at the right scale but all the others don't. A REGEN doesn't force them to change but matching properties between similar objects does. I edit a profile view, click 'OK' then it rescales correctly, then match properties to another profile view and that one rescales too.

It's like all Civil 3D objects now, by default, do not obey the annotation scale unless they are edited.

Both the annotation toggles are turned on, but that doesn't ever have any effect on civil 3D objects anyway which should be annotative by default.

Any ideas? It's turned into a real PITA.

Cheers,

Kevin

[rl_jackson]

Try restarting C3D

[ksorsby]

Sorry, I should have said I tried that. Restarting makes no difference and audit/recover makes no difference either. It appears to be drawing specific as other models open in the same C3D session don't have the same problem. Opening it up in another fresh session doesn't change anything either.

Kevin


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Kevin Sorsby
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[ksorsby]

Bump.

Is there some Civil 3D annotation variable when objects are regenerated?

Thanks,

Kevin

[MikeEvansUK]

Kevin, does the annotation scale work correctly if set in the drawing settings in Prospector?

AutoCAD annotative scales and Civil3d annotative scales are not the same or directly linked although in normal instances they will coincide and work together.

Try setting the Anno scale in Settings and see if everything changes, if this works it is likely to be the AutoCAD anno scales which have messed up and possibly due to excessive Xref scales (old unfixed xref scale issue dating from R2006).

Reset the scales to default removing excess xref scales (do in each linked file). Unfortunately this is likely to give Metric (millimeter scales which are useless) so you may want to correct the registry with the following registry file entry before resetting the scales (for 2015).

The only relevant variable is Annoautoscale (-4 you want) but this is for AutoCAD not Civil3d. There are none for Civil3d.

Mike

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

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[Cadguru42]

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@ksorsby wrote:

Evening all,

A weird one. My Civil 3d objects have suddenly lost the ability to automatically rescale themselves according to the annotation scale.

I can change the scale and all labels, profile views etc. don't resize themselves automatically anymore - but normal cad text, multileaders, dims still do.

For example, I'm at 1:500 and I change to 1:200. All Civil 3D objects remain visually the same so I edit a label then click 'OK' straight away then it redraws that label at the right scale but all the others don't. A REGEN doesn't force them to change but matching properties between similar objects does. I edit a profile view, click 'OK' then it rescales correctly, then match properties to another profile view and that one rescales too.

It's like all Civil 3D objects now, by default, do not obey the annotation scale unless they are edited.

Both the annotation toggles are turned on, but that doesn't ever have any effect on civil 3D objects anyway which should be annotative by default.

Any ideas? It's turned into a real PITA.

Cheers,

Kevin

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I seem to recall this happening to me as well, but never figured out what caused it. I think it was in 2016, which I've only recently begun using again (Side note: I still hate 2016. Just yesterday joining some lines and arcs to a polyline caused a crash and corruption of the ACAD profile.) 

I do remember having to go to Settings>Edit Drawing Settings>Units and Zone and just clicking OK. That would cause the point labels to update, but selecting the scale from the bottom status bar would not work in some drawings. I think I was told my template was corrupt, but Autodesk support couldn't explain how or why. 

Found my screencast showing it in action.

Is this what is happening to you?

[ksorsby]

Engrtech, yes that's pretty much what happens here. I've delayed in responding because for no apparant reason it's started working again. I've not installed or changed anything, I'd already rebooted several times but it seems to work again. 

The only thing I can think of is that very occasionally, I've noticed the odd model will suddenly lose its scales and revert to some weird imperial ones. I imported the data into a template set up with metric scales and I remember days later changing the scale in this model and there were no metric scales there. There's no way of knowing when it lost its scales as it could have been hours earlier and I'd already saved multiple times so I just set up new ones. That's when I noticed it stopped working.

Mike, we're in metric although in metres - as you say, millimetre scales are next to useless - but I expect the actions you suggest are similar.

Thanks for the advice everyone in any case.

Kevin

[MikeEvansUK]

Hence my post and Registry file. I have added these scales to the registry and never looked back.

Everytime I start a new file with my template it's correct (in meters) any problems (Xref scales etc) I reset and it's in meters. Never any issues with millimeter scales again.

This is how the program works. forget the template scales make the changes so they are hardwired in the registry.

Mike

[MikeEvansUK]

Hmm. I started R2016 (first time in a few months) this morning and opened a file from 2013 and the surface labels were crocked. I created the registry file, reset the scales and reset the view scale (Cannoscale) then set the scale in Civil3d settings and nothing seemed to work. It remained incorrectly displayed.

In paper space all labels displayed incorrectly (they are using the "drawing scale conversion" in the label to format the text height) they are correctly displayed in model space.

They are correctly displayed in R2013. Smells a lot like yet another BUG to me.

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

I have experienced the same problem in Civil 3D 2016. Change the scale and no objects resize. I had to close Civil 3D and then go back in and it seemed to work again.

[Anonymous]

I'm having the same issue in 2017.

[jennya]

I'm having the same issue in 2017 too.

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

A colleague had this exact issue this morning: all of the non-Civil3D objects were freely resizable (text, blocks, etc.), but Civil3D objects (profile views, surface labels, etc.) weren't resizing along w/ the annotation scale change.

~This is a bug.~

I was able to fix it by:

1. <scalelistedit>

2. "Reset" the scale list

3. Toolspace, Settings tab

4. Right click the current drawing --> edit drawing settings --> Units & Zone tab

5. Change the scale & hit "OK"

6. Close out of the program (not just drawing)

7. Make a sacrifice to the Cad Gods

8. Reopen.

As w/ most bugs, the fix is generally a 'kick in the pants'. Though, as bugs go, results may vary.

Happy Caddin',

shayes

[j_schroeder1]

"I do remember having to go to Settings>Edit Drawing Settings>Units and Zone and just clicking OK. That would cause the point labels to update, but selecting the scale from the bottom status bar would not work in some drawings. I think I was told my template was corrupt, but Autodesk support couldn't explain how or why. "

I've been messing with this in 2017 for a few weeks now and this did the trick. I set the annotation scale in the lower right to my desired scale, then Settings> Edit Drawing Settings.... (as shown in the above post quotation). And this reset my model space display of annotative Civ3d objects to my desired scale. 

[Anonymous]

This works... briefly.  So irritating that I can't figure out why it'll work one day and broken the next.

[Anonymous]

I've dealt with this problem for a while now, and for the longest time I've worked with "add scales to annotative objects when the scale changes" enabled.  I disabled the automatic scale add recently and this problem went away.  Not sure if it was the cause or simple coincidence but if anyone is still having the problem then maybe check your settings.

[info]

I'm having the same issue in 2022 too.

I have tried all of the above without success.
Does anyone have a solution?

Mike.