Realización de distintos taludes según el lado de las plataformas

Refmur
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Realización de distintos taludes según el lado de las plataformas

Refmur
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Buenas tardes a todos,

 

Comento mi problema. Necesito hacer dos plataformas rectangulares:

- Plataforma A, con una elevación sobre el terreno de 140 metros.

-Plataforma B, con una elevación sobre el terreno de 135 metros.

 

Ambas plataformas poseen una relación de talud de desmonte o corte de 1:0.5 y talud de terraplén o relleno de 1:2. Pero esos taludes solo sirven hacia el exterior, puesto que la plataforma A y B comparten uno de sus lados, y el talud en dicho lado debe ser de 1:1.

 

¿Cómo puedo realizar ambas plataformas para el cálculo de movimiento de tierras editando ese talud? Cuando lo intento haciendo una única superficie, soy incapaz de introducir la transición entre ambas de 1:1 que representaría el talud con 5 metros de diferencia de cota. Y al hacerlo como plataformas independientes me ocurre lo mismo y a parte estoy cometiendo el error de realizar dos veces un mismo talud, que es el talud que comparten.

 

Espero haberme explicado con claridad, quedo a la espera de si surgen dudas sobre mi pregunta y muchas gracias a todos.

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ecfernandez
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Hola @Refmur, parece interesante lo que estás intentando hacer, sin embargo, sería muy bueno que postearas algunas capturas de pantalla o si es posible, tu archivo para darle un vistazo a lo que estás haciendo y así saber en qué manera se podría conseguir ese planteamiento que estás buscando. Si decides compartir más información estaré presto a ayudarte.

 

Saludos! 

Camilo Fernández

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Gracias por la contestación y el interés en mi duda @ecfernandez .

Adjunto una foto de la problemática en lo que he podido intentar. Arriba al norte tenemos la superficie o plataforma A, y al sur la plat. B. Lo que señalo en azul es el talud que quiero representar.

El problema es debido a que desde las plataformas hacia el terreno el talud de corte es de 1:0.5 y el de Terraplén de 1:2. Pero el talud que se encuentra entre ambas plataformas debe ser de 1:1.

He intentado hacer primero una superficie total con la cota más baja, y después una superficie con solo la plataforma de la cota más alta sobre la anterior.

Problemas:

- Me duplica los volúmenes de taludes coincidentes.

- No me permite, al crear la superficie, denominar taludes con distinta proporción.

 

También he intentado realizarlas por separado,

Problemas:

- Me duplica el volumen de talud que las une.

- No me permite al crea la superficie denominar taludes con distinta proporción.

 

Muchas gracias de nuevo, un saludo!

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Hola @Refmur

 

Entendiendo que una de las plataformas está más alta que la otra podrías llegar a una solución de la siguiente manera:

 

1. Si B está más abajo que A, y el talud entre B y A obligatoriamente tiene que ser 1:1. Podrías primero dibujar B, y hacer un "Grade to surface" a lo largo de la línea morada (ver imagen) y luego "Grade to relative elevation" para la parte media (encerrada en azul, ver imagen) en donde usarás la inclinación de talud deseada y la altura que puedes tener entre ambas plataformas. Así, ya tendrás el nivel de arranque de tu plataforma A y sólo tendrás que completar la geometría con una feature line que encierre la parte roja (ver imagen). Con esta última feature line harás un "Grade to surface" nuevamente y así ya habrás completado tu planteamiento.

 

2. Si ya tienes los rectángulos de A y B definidos con sus elevaciones y éstas elevaciones son las que debes conservar, entonces deberías hacer "Grade to surface", no en la longitud completa de las feature lines, sino en la porción delimitada por las líneas roja y morada (ver imagen) y luego dibujar manualmente las feature line que unan las dos plataformas en esa parte media (encerrada en azul, ver imagen) para finalmente de la herramienta "Create Infill" para completar el grading entre plataformas. Deberías estar uniendo el vertice más bajo con el vertice más alto en cada costado de esa parte media. Recuerda que para que esto funcione, incluido el infill, ambas feature lines deben estar dentro del mismo Site y ojalá, los gradings de A y B no estén separados sino que sean uno solo, de manera que se cree una sola superficie para ambos.

 

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Espero haber sido de ayuda. Saludos!

Camilo Fernández

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Hola de nuevo compañero @ecfernandez ,

 

Lo intentaré hacer como dices, puesto que, aunque había intentado realizarlo parecido, fallaba al realizarlo en toda la longitud perimetral. Probaré a ver si puedo delimitar correctamente el talud que une ambas plataformas para de este modo crear ese talud de manera separa y única.

 

Muchas gracias por tu tiempo, te contaré a lo largo de la semana mi experiencia con ello.

Un cordial saludo.

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Vale @Refmur, espero que puedas resolverlo y estaré atento a cualquier duda que tengas. Si ves necesario, quieres y puedes postear tu archivo, también es una buena opción para poder ayudarte de una mejor manera. Saludos!

Camilo Fernández

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Hola de nuevo @ecfernandez ,

Por motivos laborales no puedo compartir el archivo, al menos por ahora, si no la ayuda sería mucho más fácil. He intentado lo que me comentabas pero el problema es que técnicamente es como si le realizara una "tapa" a esa zona, pero no me crea el terraplenado correspondiente con su movimiento de tierras. He intentado editando la elevaciones de sus 4 vértices (los dos superiores coincidentes con la Plat A y los dos inferiores coincidentes con la elevación de la Plat B) pero al final ocurre lo mismo, estoy realizando una superficie "tapa".

 

He leído que se pueden crear transiciones entre superficies en esta página: 

https://help.autodesk.com/view/CIV3D/2024/ESP/?guid=GUID-9571204C-C70A-4362-AF01-7B342B490F97

 

Pero no soy capaz de que a la hora de realizar el terraplenado no me estropee lo ya existente. Seguimos pensando y si puedo compartir el archivo o algo parecido lo haré.

 

Gracias, un saludo.

 

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Hola @Refmur, decidí hacer un archivo de ejemplo para que puedas revisar lo que intenté explicarte con mi post en el punto 1. Revisalo, puede ser de ayuda. 

 

Saludos!

Camilo Fernández

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Muchas gracias por tu ayuda @ecfernandez . Finalmente lo que hice fue crear una superficie entre las dos plataformas editando las elevaciones de sus vértices, es decir, los dos superiores con la cota de la Plataforma superior y los dos vértices inferiores con las cotas de la Plataforma inferior. Al crear el grading, cuando pregunta si deseaba en toda su longitud los taludes, respondía que no y limitaba primero un lado, y luego el otro y de este modo no existía terraplenado hacia las plataformas. Si no me he explicado, dímelo y cuando pueda subo algún archivo.

 

Ahora ya que estamos discutiendo este tema, me gustaría saber si existe alguna manera de obtener el área de todos los taludes. Lo único que se me ocurre al ser irregulares, es crear una superficie por sus límites y obtener el área de esa superficie, pero debido a las dimensiones es algo tedioso de hacer y me gustaría saber si conoces alguna otra manera más rápida.

 

Gracias de nuevo, un saludo.

 

 

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Hola @Refmur, que bien que lograste hacer lo que buscabas. En cuanto al área de los taludes, si la puedes obtener. Creo que sería muy sencillo de la siguiente manera. 

 

1. Quita los Grading Infills. Vas a notar que queda un hueco en la parte plana de tus gradings y la superficie del grading pasará a ser sólamente la de los taludes.

2. Entra a las propiedades de superficie y allí encontrarás en la pestaña "Statistics" el área 2D y 3D de tus taludes.

 

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Espero ser de ayuda. Pasa un buen día.

Camilo Fernández

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Hola estimado,

 

Siento la demora en mi respuesta es que tuve que dejar aparcado ese tema. Lo he intentado hacer así, pero lo que nos devuelve Civil 3D es la superficie total, es decir, nuestro "rectángulo" que sería la plataforma + el pequeña área que representan los taludes. Por ello, lo único útil y fiable 100% que se me ha ocurrido es a ese área total en 3D restarle el área de nuestro "rectángulo" o plataforma. Esa diferencia hallada será el área de los taludes.

 

Si consigues realizarlo de otra manera directa estaré encantado de aprenderlo, ya que lo he hablado con compañeros de México más expertos que yo y tampoco obtienen esa manera directa para hallar el área de los taludes.

 

Gracias,

Un saludo.

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Hola @Refmur, si tal cual mencionas, C3D te da el área total de la superficie porque estás sacando el área de taludes cuando ya tienes finalizado el grading y me imagino que ya has realizado los grading infills en las zonas rectangulares.

 

Ahora bien, si este es el caso, puedes hacerle una copia a tu archivo, luego entras al editor de gradings y con la herramienta de eliminar gradings, eliminas los infills (partes rectangulares) y luego vuelves a entrar a las propiedades de superficie. Verás que ya no está teniendo en cuenta las plataformas (partes rectangulares) porque ahora tendrás una superficie "hueca" en esas zonas.

 

Espero haber sido claro con la idea que propongo, si tienes otra duda o ves que no he sido muy claro cuentame. Saludos!

Camilo Fernández

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We use Quantcast to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Quantcast. Ads are based on both Quantcast data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Quantcast has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Quantcast to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Quantcast Privacy Policy
Call Tracking
We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
Wunderkind
We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
ADC Media
We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
AgrantSEM
We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
Bidtellect
We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
Bing
We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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