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Anonymous
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work stations and lighting

I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.


--
Ken Alexander
Acad 2000
Win 2000
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Message 2 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

get glare covers for the monitors...soved my problem anyway.

Jaime

"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
>
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
>
Message 3 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

We all have them.
Thanks

--
Ken Alexander
Acad 2000
Win 2000
"Jaime" wrote in message
news:4BEE099FE1E7B3B7A926A044A3735CF0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> get glare covers for the monitors...soved my problem anyway.
>
> Jaime
>
> "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> > We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> > I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> > We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> > has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> > lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Alexander
> > Acad 2000
> > Win 2000
> >
>
>
Message 4 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

>The complaints are glair from overhead lights if they're on and then glare
from the under cabinet lights.

personally, i like the "cave" environment, with light from windows only.....
however, we have overhead fluorescent lighting too, and the glare is
horrendous... i put a 24x36 piece of cardboard on top of my two monitors to
act like a hat to block the light..... they have talked about taking some of
the bulbs out of the lights but they said the ballisters (sp?) cannot be run
with only 2 bulbs, they need all four.... sounds weird.... and the lights
are all on a switch that has the hall lights as well.... we have an open
area for the tech's with cubicles.....

--
I'll be in the garage...
take out the recycle bin to reply...
Message 5 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

We have indirect lighting. It is wonderful for almost any office
application.


"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
>
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
>
Message 6 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

See (really!) Sky and Telescope for a great discussion on unwanted and
poorly directed lighting. Refers to night lighting, but it's the SAME
physics involved.

my solution(s):
1. If you can see the bulb of your light source YOU'RE IN TROUBLE!
2. reduce all lighting into the operator's background (BEHIND you!)
3. direct all overhead lights down - truly down (think of a horse's
blinkers- put that kind of shade on your fluorescents)
4. Keep all fixtures, bulbs, etc. out of the line of sight of the operators.
5. try Bounce lighting. (off of the ceiling or nearby wall)
6. Remember that fluorescents scatter light - and the Eye focuses better on
directly illuminated objects- translated: incandescents. Not that
fluorescents don't do the job, but they introduce a level of eye fatigue as
the eye works harder to 'locate' and focus on an object that has soft
shadows on it.

And, btw, I don't use any glare screen!





"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
>
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
>
Message 7 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

previous post: the S&T reference is for the November 2002 issue

"Peter Friedrich" wrote in message
news:2D8C06D4C227257D7C4B2C5F7F8C982C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> See (really!) Sky and Telescope for a great discussion on unwanted and
> poorly directed lighting. Refers to night lighting, but it's the SAME
> physics involved.
Message 8 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Doesn't sound right. 4 tube lights usually have 2 ballasts. That way, if 1
lamp burns out (it knocks out a pair) you still have lighting available.
Message 9 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Anytime I've ever heard a preference expressed it was for adjustable task
lighting for the desk (goose-neck or swing arm halogens) and either no
overhead or just ambient lighting otherwise. We put eggcrate diffusers in
the overhead flourescents to minimize the glare.


"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
>
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
>
Message 10 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

What are eggcrate diffusers?

--
Ken Alexander
Acad 2000
Win 2000
"pkirill" wrote in message
news:B2EFB96946DE0FB063694C4676B6E905@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Anytime I've ever heard a preference expressed it was for adjustable task
> lighting for the desk (goose-neck or swing arm halogens) and either no
> overhead or just ambient lighting otherwise. We put eggcrate diffusers in
> the overhead flourescents to minimize the glare.
>
>
> "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> > We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> > I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> > We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> > has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> > lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Alexander
> > Acad 2000
> > Win 2000
> >
>
>
Message 11 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

They are the ones like a with a square grid pattern in them. Check it out
at www.mcmaster.com and use diffuser as a search word. The parabolics are
nice. Also, have you perused OSHA's site? www.osha.gov
"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:299EF1F4C2F81F85F362E4BD45D5A7D9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> What are eggcrate diffusers?
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
> "pkirill" wrote in message
> news:B2EFB96946DE0FB063694C4676B6E905@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Anytime I've ever heard a preference expressed it was for adjustable
task
> > lighting for the desk (goose-neck or swing arm halogens) and either no
> > overhead or just ambient lighting otherwise. We put eggcrate diffusers
in
> > the overhead flourescents to minimize the glare.
> >
> >
> > "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> > news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> > > We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> > > I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> > > We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> > > has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> > > lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Alexander
> > > Acad 2000
> > > Win 2000
> > >
> >
> >
>
Message 12 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks for your input.

--
Ken Alexander
Acad 2000
Win 2000
"pkirill" wrote in message
news:19A6645BAC67CF053801E1C874597C7C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> They are the ones like a with a square grid pattern in them. Check it out
> at www.mcmaster.com and use diffuser as a search word. The parabolics are
> nice. Also, have you perused OSHA's site? www.osha.gov
> "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> news:299EF1F4C2F81F85F362E4BD45D5A7D9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > What are eggcrate diffusers?
> >
> > --
> > Ken Alexander
> > Acad 2000
> > Win 2000
> > "pkirill" wrote in message
> > news:B2EFB96946DE0FB063694C4676B6E905@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Anytime I've ever heard a preference expressed it was for adjustable
> task
> > > lighting for the desk (goose-neck or swing arm halogens) and either no
> > > overhead or just ambient lighting otherwise. We put eggcrate diffusers
> in
> > > the overhead flourescents to minimize the glare.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> > > news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> > > > We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> > > > I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> > > > We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> > > > has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> > > > lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ken Alexander
> > > > Acad 2000
> > > > Win 2000
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Message 13 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Anytime - and BTW, I've seen the undercabinet light dismantled and laid on
top of the cabinets (if we're talking cube waal style cabinets) facing up.
Does a decent job of replacing the overhead without the glare...


"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:486D25505C85518C8C2D3F69AE0776B9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks for your input.
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
> "pkirill" wrote in message
> news:19A6645BAC67CF053801E1C874597C7C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > They are the ones like a with a square grid pattern in them. Check it
out
> > at www.mcmaster.com and use diffuser as a search word. The parabolics
are
> > nice. Also, have you perused OSHA's site? www.osha.gov
> > "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> > news:299EF1F4C2F81F85F362E4BD45D5A7D9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > What are eggcrate diffusers?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Alexander
> > > Acad 2000
> > > Win 2000
> > > "pkirill" wrote in message
> > > news:B2EFB96946DE0FB063694C4676B6E905@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Anytime I've ever heard a preference expressed it was for adjustable
> > task
> > > > lighting for the desk (goose-neck or swing arm halogens) and either
no
> > > > overhead or just ambient lighting otherwise. We put eggcrate
diffusers
> > in
> > > > the overhead flourescents to minimize the glare.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> > > > news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> > > > > We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> > > > > I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> > > > > We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> > > > > has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> > > > > lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ken Alexander
> > > > > Acad 2000
> > > > > Win 2000
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Message 14 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thank you to everyone's input.

--
Ken Alexander
Acad 2000
Win 2000
"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
>
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
>
Message 15 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I worked on an office project recently where we had an extremely good
lighting designer work with us. The trick fro glare reduction seemed to be
to bounce the vast majority of the light off the ceiling, so that what hit
the monitors was always indirect. We had a fairly high ceiling, this was in
a NYC loft space, which gave us some room to play, and we just used pendant
mounted fluorescent lights, and aimed them straight up (the fixtures we used
were designed for this). If your ceiling height allows it, I would suggest
trying that.



"Ken Alexander" wrote in message
news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
>
>
> --
> Ken Alexander
> Acad 2000
> Win 2000
>
Message 16 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

We installed parabolic "egg crate" louvers here. WOW what a difference!
They light the desks, not the walls. Dropped the glare like you wouldn't
believe. I _highly_ recommend them.

Cheers,
Graeme

"pkirill" wrote in message
news:19A6645BAC67CF053801E1C874597C7C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> They are the ones like a with a square grid pattern in them. Check it out
> at www.mcmaster.com and use diffuser as a search word. The parabolics are
> nice. Also, have you perused OSHA's site? www.osha.gov
> "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> news:299EF1F4C2F81F85F362E4BD45D5A7D9@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > What are eggcrate diffusers?
> >
> > --
> > Ken Alexander
> > Acad 2000
> > Win 2000
> > "pkirill" wrote in message
> > news:B2EFB96946DE0FB063694C4676B6E905@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Anytime I've ever heard a preference expressed it was for adjustable
> task
> > > lighting for the desk (goose-neck or swing arm halogens) and either no
> > > overhead or just ambient lighting otherwise. We put eggcrate
diffusers
> in
> > > the overhead flourescents to minimize the glare.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ken Alexander" wrote in message
> > > news:F6F16E97DAD55CE1F1030ED46CB665A6@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I did a quick search, but didn't find what I am looking for.
> > > > We have a few cad guys complaining about poor lighting.
> > > > I am curious as to what others are doing for lighting.
> > > > We currently have fluorescent overhead lights and each station
> > > > has under cabinet lights. The complaints are glair from overhead
> > > > lights if they're on and then glare from the under cabinet lights.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ken Alexander
> > > > Acad 2000
> > > > Win 2000
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Message 17 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

For a quick temporary fix, change acads background to white. The users will
com[plain for a few hours until their eyes feel better.

John Mayo
Message 18 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Funny a white background has the exact opposite effect on myself. Headache
and tired, burning eyes. The screen just has too much contrast for me.

"John Mayo" wrote in message
> For a quick temporary fix, change acads background to white. The users
will
> com[plain for a few hours until their eyes feel better.
Message 19 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

and if your eye sees it on the periphery- you'll see what the refresh rate
discussion is about!

Also- note... if you bang your head against the wall for a while, it'll feel
great when you stop!

(This advice is where carpal tunnel injuries start)


"John Mayo" wrote in message
news:00087B82C57F8768D8EA579B64E7C833@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> For a quick temporary fix, change acads background to white. The users
will
> com[plain for a few hours until their eyes feel better.
>
> John Mayo
>
>

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