Phantom Pipes on Iso

[DGRL]

Dear forum members

Using Autodesk Plant design suite premium 2016

Single person project ( SQLite based database )

I made an nice 3d model with only 1 piece of equipment and 9 pieces of pipe

When I make an iso of 1 of thos pipes I get phantom pipes on it as well

I added 1 dwg and used revcloud to point to the phantom pipes

If you just delete the brown and green line inside the revcloud you see the original dotted line with the pipebreak symbol and there is also text written CONT'D ON.

Does anyone of you know why in the world the iso is showing pipes that not even exist?

I used wblock to transfer all the pipes to an new dwg

When deleting the pipes there will be written OPEN END wich is correct.
As soon as you connect an pipe to it the phantom pipe comes around the corner as well.

Hope to hear from someone

Thanks in advance 🙂

[DGRL]

Is there nobody who ever experienced this in the past and who is willing to help me out?

[h_eger]

Hi @DGRL,

without the project we can not help!
Or how should we help?
2 pictures and your description are not enough information to help!

[DGRL]

hI @h_eger

Thanks for the answer

I usually work on project where i have to sign an Confidentiality contract

If you are willing to help i can send the dwg in an private message

For the next time i will mention this.

[darrelldixon · Accepted solution]

Do those phantom pipes exist in another model (not your main piping model) that is part of the project?

You can use Data Manager to look at "Plant 3D project data" and check for this. When you run an ISO, it looks at all models in a project for parts with that line number. We have had a similar issue with  one of our users having pipe in an equipment model.

[DGRL]

Hi @darrelldixon

Thanks for the answer

As far as i know those pipes do not exist in any other project since this is the very first one for this environment.

No other projects excist and no xrefs are used.

I think I know what the issue is.

In data manager there are a lot of connectors and other stuff that is unassigned.
we did not know this so thanks for pointing out.

I will correct this and see what happens.

As far as it looks now p3d is simply confused because of those unassigned connectors

@h_eger 

I will investigate this before wasting your preciouse time on this.

[DGRL]

Hi

I just received this message in P3D

S001: Exception: PnPCompletionStatus.DuplicatedRelationship

4 issues found

How can I fix this?

Thanks in advance

[jabowabo · Accepted solution]

Here's the steps I would take:
- command plantaudit (in drawing)
- project audit
- project compress
- purge cache

If that fails:
- remove drawing from the project
- repeat steps above (except first)
- copy dwg to project

[DGRL]

hi @jabowabo

I did those steps already in different order

The only thing happened is that most of my pipes become unassigned

I had 231 unassigned parts in my model

Yesterday that was lesser and fixed by me just to find out that the part went back to unassigned

I think there is a bigger issue going on

Just for my info

The files piping.dcf and piping.dcfx

Do these 2 files have the same date and time as properties?

If you look at the files ProcessPower.dcf and ProcessPower.dcfx then you see that there time and date are exactly the same

for me the piping.dcf and piping.dcfx are different times and date

Maybe the database is not updating correctly?

[h_eger · Accepted solution]

Hi @DGRL,

is this isometry correct?
I think the problem lies in the version Plant 3D 2016.
With Plant 3D 2016 I have the same effect as yours.
With Plant 3D 2018 you see the result in the attached isometry.

[DGRL · Accepted solution]

Hi @h_eger @jabowabo @darrelldixon

Thanks for all the help and info Specially to @h_eger for looking into this

In the end I fixed this using the info all of you provided

@darrelldixon you pussed me into the datamanager and many thanks for that

@jabowabo thanks for pointing out the possible purge / repair steps

@h_eger for deeper investigation on my source file

What did I do to solve this

1. open affected project.

2. remove the affected dwg from project

3. clean up the project i.e. purge / compress

4. add an new dwg ( DO NOT COPY DWG TO PROJECT )

5. open the old dwg and CTRL A + CTRL C

6. paste everything in the newly made dwg.

from here it will be tricky

7. go to data manager and look if there are unassigned parts.  ( change order by object type to order by area )

8. reassign any unassigned parts

9. purge / plantaudit / project audit / compress and close P3D and use PnPLocalDataCachePurger.exe

10. check datamanger 1 more time and repeat nr 9 one more time and finally generate Iso

For me this fixed the issue

How did this issue arise?

As fas as I can conclude is has to do something with what is described in following article,

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/DWG-fi...

It is either an virus scanner that is interfering ( either in this machine or the server )  or just misconfiguration on the machine or network.

Can this be confirmed by one of you?