Object selection outside current view

[Anonymous]

Hi,

My problem is this:
When I select multiple object, and when I zoom/pan in between some of the
selected object is no longer visible (outside view). Then as I issue a
command the objects outside my current view becomes unselected and the
issued command only affects object I can see at the moment.

I'm using ACLT 2002
I can't remember this behaviour from previous versions, so I'm wondering if
there is a variable that controls this.

TIA

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

No, that how AutoCAD works, this "feature" has been
there at least since LT 97.

Conny

Janne wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My problem is this:
> When I select multiple object, and when I zoom/pan in between some of the
> selected object is no longer visible (outside view). Then as I issue a
> command the objects outside my current view becomes unselected and the
> issued command only affects object I can see at the moment.
>
> I'm using ACLT 2002
> I can't remember this behaviour from previous versions, so I'm wondering if
> there is a variable that controls this.
>
> TIA

[Anonymous]

Well that (EDITED).... big time.


"Conny Klasson" wrote in message
news:3C16959F.58FA42BF@bigfoot.com...
> No, that how AutoCAD works, this "feature" has been
> there at least since LT 97.
>
> Conny
>

[Anonymous]

Janne,

I suggest you experiment with the pickadd variable
and check out the selection modes under
options->selection->Selection modes.
You can select and then zoom or pan close in with out loosing
your selected items even if they are not in view!

Regards Gary.

"Janne" wrote in message
news:2A334880A83E87B168A0C0D87F0C3FBD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Well that (EDITED).... big time.
>
>
> "Conny Klasson" wrote in message
> news:3C16959F.58FA42BF@bigfoot.com...
> > No, that how AutoCAD works, this "feature" has been
> > there at least since LT 97.
> >
> > Conny
> >
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Gary,

You can't
1. Begin a window selection.
2. Zoom/pan.
3. End the window selection.
Without losing off-screen-objects.

Worse things can happen:
1. Create a block out of two objects.
2. Now you can't select the block with a window selection
around one of the objects. That normal, right?
2. Zoom/Pan so one of the objects are off screen.
3. Now you can. Make a window selection of the
object that is still visible and the block get selected.
That's not normal.

Let me know when the Toolkit have a cure for this ;o)

Conny

Gary D'Arcy wrote:
>
> Janne,
>
> I suggest you experiment with the pickadd variable
> and check out the selection modes under
> options->selection->Selection modes.
> You can select and then zoom or pan close in with out loosing
> your selected items even if they are not in view!
>
> Regards Gary.
>
> "Janne" wrote in message
> news:2A334880A83E87B168A0C0D87F0C3FBD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Well that (EDITED).... big time.
> >
> >
> > "Conny Klasson" wrote in message
> > news:3C16959F.58FA42BF@bigfoot.com...
> > > No, that how AutoCAD works, this "feature" has been
> > > there at least since LT 97.
> > >
> > > Conny
> > >
> >
> >
> >

[Anonymous]

A built in AutoCAD/LT flaw from when they became fully Windows Compliant. I
am pretty sure the Windows OS is a contributing factor that an add-on will
not fix.

The true fix for this is to have a command running that locks onto the
entities, so that panning and moving off screen stops the behavior.

--
Dean Saadallah
www.pendean.com
--


"Conny Klasson" wrote in message
news:3C18BE9B.3EB94A0B@bigfoot.com...
> Gary,
>
> You can't
> 1. Begin a window selection.
> 2. Zoom/pan.
> 3. End the window selection.
> Without losing off-screen-objects.
>
> Worse things can happen:
> 1. Create a block out of two objects.
> 2. Now you can't select the block with a window selection
> around one of the objects. That normal, right?
> 2. Zoom/Pan so one of the objects are off screen.
> 3. Now you can. Make a window selection of the
> object that is still visible and the block get selected.
> That's not normal.
>
> Let me know when the Toolkit have a cure for this ;o)
>
> Conny
>
> Gary D'Arcy wrote:
> >
> > Janne,
> >
> > I suggest you experiment with the pickadd variable
> > and check out the selection modes under
> > options->selection->Selection modes.
> > You can select and then zoom or pan close in with out loosing
> > your selected items even if they are not in view!
> >
> > Regards Gary.
> >
> > "Janne" wrote in message
> > news:2A334880A83E87B168A0C0D87F0C3FBD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Well that (EDITED).... big time.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Conny Klasson" wrote in message
> > > news:3C16959F.58FA42BF@bigfoot.com...
> > > > No, that how AutoCAD works, this "feature" has been
> > > > there at least since LT 97.
> > > >
> > > > Conny
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

[Anonymous]

Conny,

What version of LT are you doing this on?

1. Draw 2 object on the screen.
2. Zoom in on one of them.
3. Start the block command an hit the select button.
4. Select the object seen and then whist still in the selection
process pan so that the other object can only be seen.
5. On completion of this command both objects are in the
selection set and hence the block!

That is normal!

Gary.

"Conny Klasson" wrote in message
news:3C18BE9B.3EB94A0B@bigfoot.com...
> Gary,
>
> You can't
> 1. Begin a window selection.
> 2. Zoom/pan.
> 3. End the window selection.
> Without losing off-screen-objects.
>
> Worse things can happen:
> 1. Create a block out of two objects.
> 2. Now you can't select the block with a window selection
> around one of the objects. That normal, right?
> 2. Zoom/Pan so one of the objects are off screen.
> 3. Now you can. Make a window selection of the
> object that is still visible and the block get selected.
> That's not normal.
>
> Let me know when the Toolkit have a cure for this ;o)
>
> Conny
>

[Anonymous]

Have not tested in LT 2002.

> 4. Select the object seen and then whist still in the selection
> process pan so that the other object can only be seen.
Did you try to do a window selection around both objects?
The trouble starts when zoom/pan between first and second window point.

If I select them by pick they remain selected.

Forget the block creation, that's another problem:
Block gets selected when window selecting a part of a block.
i.e. If the other part of the block is off screen.

Try this one:
Make a line with a line type like dashed.
Now zoom/pan so only some of the segments of the line are on screen.
Make sure no segment is partial off screen.
Guess what happens when window selecting the on screen line segments?

Conny


Gary D'Arcy wrote:
>
> Conny,
>
> What version of LT are you doing this on?
>
> 1. Draw 2 object on the screen.
> 2. Zoom in on one of them.
> 3. Start the block command an hit the select button.
> 4. Select the object seen and then whist still in the selection
> process pan so that the other object can only be seen.
> 5. On completion of this command both objects are in the
> selection set and hence the block!
>
> That is normal!
>
> Gary.
>
> "Conny Klasson" wrote in message
> news:3C18BE9B.3EB94A0B@bigfoot.com...
> > Gary,
> >
> > You can't
> > 1. Begin a window selection.
> > 2. Zoom/pan.
> > 3. End the window selection.
> > Without losing off-screen-objects.
> >
> > Worse things can happen:
> > 1. Create a block out of two objects.
> > 2. Now you can't select the block with a window selection
> > around one of the objects. That normal, right?
> > 2. Zoom/Pan so one of the objects are off screen.
> > 3. Now you can. Make a window selection of the
> > object that is still visible and the block get selected.
> > That's not normal.
> >
> > Let me know when the Toolkit have a cure for this ;o)
> >
> > Conny
> >
>

[Anonymous]

Conny,

Are you using an English version of LT. I have tried this
on 2000 2000i and 2002 and all work as expected.

> Did you try to do a window selection around both objects?
> The trouble starts when zoom/pan between first and second window point.

Yes I did...I tried it every which way and cannot get it to faulter.

I know you are an expert L.T so I am at a loss as to
why mine works and yours doesn't.

Regards Gary.


> >

[Anonymous]

Lucky you... have not seen it work on any machine
or any version of LT since at least LT 97.

Just to be sure, the first object was completely
out of view when finishing the window selection?

Yes, I use the english version.

How about the other issues, the block and linetype partial selection?

Conny

Gary D'Arcy wrote:
>
> Conny,
>
> Are you using an English version of LT. I have tried this
> on 2000 2000i and 2002 and all work as expected.
>
> > Did you try to do a window selection around both objects?
> > The trouble starts when zoom/pan between first and second window point.
>
> Yes I did...I tried it every which way and cannot get it to faulter.
>
> I know you are an expert L.T so I am at a loss as to
> why mine works and yours doesn't.
>
> Regards Gary.
>
> > >

[Anonymous]

Conny I think we have been at cross purposes here!.

The original poster experienced a difference in the selection process
from release to release.

What you have explained and I have finally understood is a process that
has been in AutoCAD Full or light since day one. JW wrote that bit.
"What you see is what you get"

This is more relevant in LISP or ARX in LT where you make a selection
via "CP W WP" etc where the objects are not on the screen. In this case also
if they are not on screen they are ignored!

Regards Gary.

[Anonymous]

Thanks.

One more:
Select LAST object should be "Last created object"
But it works as "Last created VISIBLE object".

Conny

Gary D'Arcy wrote:
>
> Conny I think we have been at cross purposes here!.
>
> The original poster experienced a difference in the selection process
> from release to release.
>
> What you have explained and I have finally understood is a process that
> has been in AutoCAD Full or light since day one. JW wrote that bit.
> "What you see is what you get"
>
> This is more relevant in LISP or ARX in LT where you make a selection
> via "CP W WP" etc where the objects are not on the screen. In this case also
> if they are not on screen they are ignored!
>
> Regards Gary.

[Anonymous]

**ANSWER**

'SELECTIONONOFFSCREEN' with value '1'.

If you wish to change the setting back to only selecting objects within view, change the setting to '0'

[steven-g]

That wasn't an option 20 years ago, 😀

[pendean]

But... with the benefit of hindsight we all can solve so many software problems from the year 2001 today 😉

[Anonymous]

I believe the command for this has changed also which is what confused me. (Before 2020 I used to use 2009) I came to this page to find a bunch of noobs not answering anything lol. Luckily I found it by messing about in model space. In case anyone else has a problem, hopefully this will help.

[dianewillardson3963]

Thank you so much for answering this with the easy solution to being able to select what's not in view on the screen. I really appreciate it. I knew it had to be something easy but I couldn't figure it out.

[Tejas3D]

This solved our issue! Thanks, not sure why people are wasting time discussing what is in or not in Autocad LT when it was there yesterday and not today so to speak.