modelspace to paperspace scale

[Anonymous]

Having a hellacious time going from modelspace 1:1 to ansi c size at scale and what scale to specify on drawings?

[steven-g]

how big is your model? what parts are you trying to print (width and height).

[Anonymous]

the current drawing is 733'-9.1/2" wide by 560'-11" high..this is the
dimensions to the ansi 24 x 18 scaled up to the drawing size. Trying to
figure out what scale to place on the drawing for plotting as a acad.pdf
file for printing. These drawing are for submission to the county bldg
dept. After 50 years or so of ACAD...since beta version, I have never had
to do this....GRRRR. help! I have studied and reviewed many help files to
no avail....

[steven-g]

I use metric but those sizes would tell me you should be using a scale of 1/64" = 1' which should place the whole drawing onto an ANSI C sheet.

Though you might just get away with 1/32" = 1' on an ARCH C sheet plotting almost up to the borders.

[pendean]

why the sudden difficulty? Explain your challenge, can't you just create a viewport and run through the list of available scales to see what fits at the simplest level of trying to figure it out?

Share your DWG file for us to see your work, perhaps something else was missed (easy to do).

[Anonymous]

Yes, seems after working with ACAD since its beta release...I should know
better...However with over 5000 DWGs done in model space, would you believe
I have not had to do this since now...and it's personal and CRITICAL.
So, If I understand, finally, I can create a viewport of the entire drawing
at 1:1 Then scale it appropriately for paper space to a specified scale and
it will be accurate?
Attached are the three drawings I would like to scale to 24 X 18 final
scaled drawings.
Thank you so much for the assist!

[steven-g]

In modelspace you should have everything drawn full size, using whatever units you want the drawing to be in (inches in your case).

Then when you need to plot the drawing you do that from a layout (paperspace). You need to have the layout set to use the paper size that you will be plotting to, using the page setup manager. And then a viewport in that layout can be set to the scale that works best for you.

There are no drawings attached so if you can try that again then someone should be able to point you in the right direction.

[Anonymous]

Steven-g Here are the drawings again.....Thanks

[pendean]

You have to come to the website to post files. You can't do it from email.

[henxonpro · Accepted solution]

STEP 1. Is your .dwg file drafted in full-scale? If yes then draw a full-scale paper size in model space copy it as a reference size and then paste it to layout preset ANSI C. proceed to STEP 2 if NO, ensure that your MODEL SPACE drawing is drawn in full scale and uses your default units. Scale the entire drawing if needed so it represents a full size or scale.

STEP 2. In Paper Space, set your template, margins, scaling factor, etc. and using your created actual paper size in the model space, use that as a reference to ensure that you are indeed using a full-size paper in you layout or paper space, then you can create a viewport via MVIEW command or insert view under layout, anyhow if things look so small or so big in your viewport, please ensure that your scale factor is working properly with layout space. Apply scale factor when necessary.

This one of the reasons I think? If you still have an issue we are glad to hear from you!

[steven-g · Accepted solution]

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@henxonpro wrote:

STEP 1. Is your .dwg file drafted in full-scale? If yes then draw a full-scale paper size in model space copy it as a reference size and then paste it to layout preset ANSI C. proceed to STEP 2 if NO, ensure that your MODEL SPACE drawing is drawn in full scale and uses your default units. Scale the entire drawing if needed so it represents a full size or scale.

STEP 2. In Paper Space, set your template, margins, scaling factor, etc. and using your created actual paper size in the model space, use that as a reference to ensure that you are indeed using a full-size paper in you layout or paper space, then you can create a viewport via MVIEW command or insert view under layout, anyhow if things look so small or so big in your viewport, please ensure that your scale factor is working properly with layout space. Apply scale factor when necessary.

This one of the reasons I think? If you still have an issue we are glad to hear from you!

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That sounds to be a very strange way of approaching layouts, the page setup manager lets you choose the size of paper you are wanting to use, so there isn't a need to draw it first in model space and you certainly shouldn't be scaling anything in model space.

[henxonpro]

Well at least as an experience, Back when I was working with other users before, If I can't see what they are working on e.g. privacy concerns and they got trouble working with scales and the likes coz they use wrong drawing scales for paper space, or wrong practice and vice versa, one of that is they were using the model space as if it was a paper space that is why they have scaling issues or if not drawn to scale they label things as NDTS or not drawn to scale, get on with it and call it a day and that drawing is not drawn in full scale, so the paper space will never represent a full-scale value even if the parameters are correct, well one of the causes to say the least so to illustrate the reason why draw in model space and arrange in layout space as a good practice, I made that step so I can show them and so they can check it for themselves (guys that ask me why my prints are dead-on) if they were using a proper scale, and practices. Most of the time describing things in a verbal conversation is the thing I'm not good and they mostly prefer visual demonstrations and live actions haha that's why. I hope to clear things up!

It's easier seen than described that's why I devised that strange method so if that real-world paper size fits in the Layout boundary preview It means that the scale factor is correct and if not, it need scale adjustments. Sometimes we need to think outside the box and device our own ways so that others can comprehend our ideas. "We have different way of perceiving things" so I stay at the neutral zone my friend.

[Anonymous]

Steven Here are the DWGs Currently being worked on.

RE: scaling for printing and more importantly how to specify scale on drawing. Thanks, Bear

The 003 cornershack elevations are NTS / as in renderings.

[pendean · Accepted solution]

click on the layout in any of the DWG files

start MVIEW command, draw a rectangle around your paper outline

boom: there is your content from modelspace.

To assign a scale, select the viewport we just created, start PROPERTIES and set the scale.

See attached: looks like your floor plan fits as an 1/8" scale.

[steven-g]

I prefer keeping the title block in a layout, which in this case does let you use the 1/32"=1' scale for your drawing 001,

a scale of 1/8"=1' for drawing 002, but then your elevation is drawn to scale in model space so it would be 1"=1" scale in your layout.

[henxonpro]

Hello Bear! I'm definitely correct, your drawing was arranged inside the model space and does not follow proper scaling principles, this method is common here in my location. As I had stated before in my comment that is how I check if things line up correctly, well a method that at least I knew serves someone like you well for this purpose. I know its a bit strange but this is the method that I can comfortably demonstrate how my ideas work. Hope this helps! 

Kindly inspect the file I attached in this message, from the drawing to paper space settings and compare it to your original file. If you have further questions, I would be happy to help you to the best of my knowledge.

P.S. I'm a metric system user, I cannot get along with English units of measure but I'm pretty sure this would explain my whereabouts. Cheers! Joe!

Your Title Block also varies in sizes so I compiled all your drawing into 1 .dwg file.

[steven-g]

And when the OP submits the drawings on paper what size scale rule should the recipient use to read the drawings, especially in drawing 001 where the boundary lines were 60'-01/2" by 65'-11" and they have magically ballooned up to 280'-7" by 303'. I use metric as well but that does seem a little odd even for imperial drawings.

[henxonpro · Accepted solution]

What I did to the dwg file is I fitted the existing drawing into the paper space where it should be and where it came from and then I re-scaled the provided dwg file into its original, full and proper scale. That's all so the user can now use the entire drawing in full scale and he or she can apply any size or scale rule inside the paper space, I think 1/8" = 1' 0" is what works on the first drawing. He or she can now represent the model space drawing in the paper space at whatever scaling he,she or they require using MVIEW and properly indicate the scale used.

***He or she can retain the title block in the paper space and delete the drawing inside and then use MVIEW to properly represent the actual scaling factor. I just performed my ideas. Cheers! -Joe

P.S. If I took your statement incorrectly just tell me...I have a bit of trouble speaking and understanding english but I'm doing my best.

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

I would like to thank all of you for your assistance. Gee, You can teach an old dog new tricks...me. As usual it is all in the logical details. Thank You for the personal attention!

Bear WindWalker

windwalkerweststudios.com

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

You did great with english! Thank you so much for your assistance. This project is a bit unusual. The building drawn dates back to the 1930's. Getting it ready for occupancy with the county is a dog and pony show I could live without.

Thanks again, Think I got it now. More than a bit of it I was stressing over dealing with the county....Grrrr. So Very grateful!