"TURNED ON" Layers become "TURNED OFF" after leaving ISOLATION mode

[m_delaunayR5Y3S]

In some situations, AutoCAD decides on it's own to TURN OFF some of the layers (Little lightbulb icon).

In a normal situation, that's manageable, but in times of deadlines, when the drawing is already properly setup and we have to think about 300 other project details and export the same plan 10, 20, even 30 times, it becomes a source of stress and errors.

Context : 

- I use the View manager to generate layout states (company standard)

- I navigate between views with the view manager to switch between my Layouts before exporting

- I am the only person to edit the plans.

- All my layers are always TURNED ON, I only use FREEZE and FREEZE IN VIEWPORT to hide layers

- I always make sure to TURN all layers ON before updating the layers in the View manager

- In some situations, I need to isolates layers to work on them. I do this inside the Viewports

HOW / WHEN does it happens : 
1 - Entering a Viewport for modifications

2 - isolating a layer (LAYISO)

3 - switching between layout tabs OR using the view manager to navigate between layouts

4 - leaving Layer isolation (UNIOSLATE)

What happens : 

- All the layers set with FREEZE IN VIEWPORT also become TURNED OFF when I leave the isolation mode.

I discussed the topic with a few people around different companies and they seem to experience the same issue and find it problematic too.

[imadHabash]

Hi,

You may need to review the Layer Snapshot as mentioned Here.

[pendean]

@m_delaunayR5Y3S Which settings are you activating? Or maybe you're not

I personally prefer LOCK AND FADE (not shown in screenshot above but you can look it up in HELP in your program).

[m_delaunayR5Y3S]

Thank you for the answer!

Unfortunately, it does not give a solution to what I describe. My problem comes from that :
when I exit the isolation mode after switching between layouts, AutoCAD keep all the layers that were FROZEN IN the VIEWPORT as "TURNED OFF" Instead of  "TURNING them back ON"

[m_delaunayR5Y3S]

Hmmm, Thank you!

I will investigate. I think it could be the potential source of the problem.

There are too many options colliding and overlapping and different ways of reaching the same results in AutoCAD, it's frustrating and exhausting.

[m_delaunayR5Y3S]

The problem occured on another plan without layerstatus, so the problem does not come from that either

[pendean]

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@m_delaunayR5Y3S wrote:

Thank you for the answer!

Unfortunately, it does not give a solution to what I describe. ...

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I am unable to reproduce that problem here using LAYISO then LAYUNISO: you seem to be using a different command combination

[m_delaunayR5Y3S · Accepted solution]

There seems to be no solution to that issue as it looks like a proper bug from AUTOCAD, but using the Lock and fade option Pendean advised prevents problems from occurring when exiting the Isolation mode.

[RSomppi]

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@m_delaunayR5Y3S wrote:

HOW / WHEN does it happens : 
1 - Entering a Viewport for modifications

2 - isolating a layer (LAYISO)

3 - switching between layout tabs OR using the view manager to navigate between layouts

4 - leaving Layer isolation (UNIOSLATE)

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Have you tried switching steps 3 and 4?

[m_delaunayR5Y3S]

This solution is also solving the problem partially, but that's not how the software should behave.

Either the user behavior should be prevented (in a similar way to the text field or Block editor, it restricts the type of commands you can use) or Autodesk should find a solution to make it possible without issues.

- The benefit of the "OFF" setting in isolation is that the Cursor does not snap on elements in the background and it is much easier to select isolated elements.

- When entering the isolation mode on large documents and editing the layouts, it is common to navigate from one Viewport / Layout to another and check other parts of the project without having to constantly leave and enter the isolation mode. It is hard to keep track of each active command while working.

[RSomppi]

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@m_delaunayR5Y3S wrote:

This solution is also solving the problem partially, but that's not how the software should behave.

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Did the software ever "behave" that way? (If not, that's just an opinion. We deal with facts. Opinions are hard to overcome sometimes.) AutoCAD is hardly intuitive and sometimes we need to adjust workflows to fit the program or come up with customization that makes it work how we want it to. That's part of the reason for all the flavors of AutoCAD. 

[m_delaunayR5Y3S]

I know,  I know, ... it's just extremely frustrating. This software has been on the market for decades and they only made minimal improvement in how "user friendly" it is. They focus most of their energy on Revit now.

Many thanks for your help!

[RSomppi]

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@m_delaunayR5Y3S wrote:

They focus most of their energy on Revit now.

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That's another opinion. The people using Revit have many complaints about seemingly "simple" features that are not being implemented and call bad workflows "bugs". I suggest that instead of focusing on the limitations, you figure out how to make the software do what you want.

[ccastelein]

i just posted on another thread this same exact thing... why is my published pdf turning off layers? should be wysiwyg... i removed "include layer information" in my publish dialog box and it then behaved correctly... but cant figure out why its turning off certain layers.

[pendean]

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@ccastelein wrote:

... why is my published pdf turning off layers?...

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Never seen that ever happen, and I cannot replicate it at all in any of my own files: do you use a 3rd party add-on or tool by chance? You have "something" interfering, or are the missing layers part of an XREF or...?

[ccastelein]

i have never seen it before either, 20 years of Acad, never. BUT just forced to get a new dell desktop, and had to re-install acad and all its settings... im guessing i turned on "include layer info" and noticed this anomly....

as OP indicated, i may have gone into the viewport and turned off certain layers, only later to turn them back on. then again if you do print preview all looks correct... but publishing turns these layers off.

crazy. 

using acad dwg to pdf. then opening in Adobe Reader.

[pendean]

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@ccastelein wrote:

...using acad dwg to pdf. then opening in Adobe Reader.

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Time to share DWG file(s) please: use ETRANSMIT command to grab everything we might possibly need to replicate your results 100%.

Did you turn off background publishing and test yet? This was an ask from your other post. You probably forgot to do so with the new computer that presents this problem is my guess.

[ccastelein]

never had background publishing on, never use it

[ccastelein]

[ccastelein]

As far as sharing the files, im not at liberty to do that. ill have to ask.