Import FBX with textures

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I’m trying to import some FBX files (like this sample attached) to AutoCad 2017 and I can’t get the textures. This FBX file originally was an OBJ file created in another software then I decimated it with Remake and then exported to AutoCad FBX format. I guess that the textures are embedded into this file.

Remake / AutoCad

AutoCAD

So, when I import in AutoCad I can see it find 1 material (image bellow) but It is shown grayed. I tried to change view properties to conceptual, realistic, but I got no results. I also tried to find the material at materials list with no results.

Why am I doing wrong? Is it possible to see FBX textures in AutoCad. If it is not possible what file format should be able to do it?

Thanks,

[Anonymous]

here is my posts all over again. 

fbx file attached. 

can you see a texture when you open it. 

ON ANY fbx file.  can you see any texture or apply a texture map successfully ? 

((regular auto cad))

attached.  

an fbx. 

a screen grab. or fbx in a viewer

a screen grab in auto cad. 

i can add all the steps in screen grabs to add material but you are not reply to ME. only the bridge image in the first bits of this thread. 

[Anonymous]

i will start a new thread. 

you are confusing first post. 

@john.vellek  Alfred didn't open anything in autocad

can we please not refer to previous As i stated posts

Im writing that your as i stated is Not referring to me. 

simple question or will ask it in new post. 

can you right now open an fbx any fbx file and either have the material follow 

or

add a texture map and it will stick. 

i wrote this and your reply is as i stated. 

you are so unclear on what i am asking

CAN THIS BE DONE W ANY FBX YOU CAN FIND

CAN YOU DO THIS. CAN AUTOCAD OPEN AN FBX W MATERIALS

IM THINKING IT CANT

PLEASE TELL ME  

DISREGARD ALL FILES IN THIS THREAD

CAN AN FBX W MATERIALS OPEN IN AUTOCAD ! ????????

caps lock was stuck apologies !!!!

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> To me it seems like AutoCAD seems to be dropping UV's on import.  Weird.  

Really wondering about that? That is nothing new, AutoCAD is not able to import FBX with texture-map and correct mapping for years now (at least I have not seen any FBX with texture-mapping for years now that can be imported in AutoCAD and display everything correctly).

>> I feel that the original FBX file has too many issues as pointed out by @Alfred.DeFlaminis.

Huuuhhh, 3DS can open this FBX-file including texture-map, Navisworks can open this FBX including the texture-map, so what are the issues in the file? For me this means the FBX-file is ok and working well.

@john.vellek

>> it imported correctly into AutoCAD although the texture still had to be applied to the material.

What means it is imported correctly when the texture does not match? To remap a geometry like that - where a software has assigned uv-coords to every single face - is not possible. So the result is not correct as it does not help that you do have a geometry all in grey or a material assigned when the texture-map coords are not valid.

It's just the sentence missing "AutoCAD has a bug reading FBX and texture mapping" (...and the repair of the defect is open as well).

I'm curious why Autodesk as vendor of AutoCAD as well as for FBX is not able to handle their own file-format in their own product.

- alfred -

[Anonymous]

@Alfred.NESWADBA@john.vellek@Matt__W@Alfred.DeFlaminis@

I got an FBX AND AN OBJ file. 

Im trying to get a client that uses AUTOCAD. 

please help. 

is there any file i can bring into auto cad starting w those files 

AND converting into something

that the 3d model will have texture like in my attachments

like in your autodesk fbx viwer

like in your a360 viewer ?

does potential client need to switch to auto cad 3d or auto cad civil.

will a 3ds file open in auto cad w texture mapping ? 

@Alfred.NESWADBA  thank you for the reply !  like pulling teeth for 48 hours !!!!!

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> will a 3ds file open in auto cad w texture mapping ? 

Not really, especially the larger file you have shown will have issues with 3DS-format as this can not handle that large objects in one mesh (too many vertices).

I have tried to use 3DS-Max to read the FBX and convert it to 3DS, that is the result:

Internal error number 8 - 3D Studio file import terminated

At least the 3DS-format is too old for current geometry complexity, I would not spent too much time with that.

>> does potential client need to switch to auto cad 3d or auto cad civil.

AutoCAD (Vanilla) and AutoCAD Civil 3D do all have the same basic AutoCAD as product. So Civil 3D will not import an FBX better.

>> is there any file i can bring into auto cad starting w those files 

AutoCAD has general issues with importing uv-mapping-coords as well as handling them (which also can be surprising with some models), so I guess it will be hard to work with that files and get them into AutoCAD as the number of file-formats AutoCAD supports - file-formats that can handle texture-mapping - is quite limited (DWG, DXF, FBX, 3DS)

One additional sample of how hard it is to get texture-mapping working ==> even if you use 3DS-Max with a model and perfect texture mapping ==> when saving the model to DWG all materials are lost and not visible when you open that in AutoCAD.

May be we can start here:

What is your partner doing with that file? I know that it sounds great to have such a file as background, for visualization, but it's more a help for orientation as the meshes are not fine enough to really use that coordinates for e.g. object-snap. If there are object snaps needed I would prefer to work with point-clouds instead of meshed/triangulated geometry because that can be handled much faster on the display than compared to a high amount of textured 3d-faces.

Describe how that data is used in the workflow, maybe we can find some ways for you and your partner to come around the FBX xxxx.

- alfred -

[Anonymous]

@Alfred.NESWADBA

i can get them a point cloud.  pretty good looking one.

they work in 2d. 

the 3d was mostly for visualization. 

but also shading. (solar panel installation is client biz)

i do like the point cloud. but obviously the fbx (in autodesk fbx viewer) (and actually looks much better in sketchfab)

but both look great. 

they are new to 3d. so it would be a visualization first.  maybe a solarpv plug in  like  "pvcomplete" with awesome 3d below it. 

but here me saying these things i am near my limitations of understanding.  

Im grateful for your replies. if you do have the energy for another. will take it but not begging like before. 

so yeah.  got a good looking point cloud in there.

but not good enough looking for placing stuff in my opinion. 

so solution methinks is  them to have an fbx viewer while designing in 2d. 

any thoughts ?  point cloud is big and has sub folder.  probably cant attach. 

but willing to try.  but you get the idea. it looks like the fbx. 

but i am so glad to lay to rest the  fbx problem that no one would say anything about. 

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> got a good looking point cloud in there.

>> but not good enough looking for placing stuff in my opinion. 

You do have great functions in AutoCAD with point-clouds (as long as you know them, they are a bit hidden 😉 ).

• You do have object-snaps helping you to find planes/edges/corners in points-clouds ... great for building new objects based on existing coordinates in point-clouds.
• You do have functions for creating section lines from point-clouds (and section plane) ... that helps to get geometry/vectors, e.g. outlines from buildings in your bigger sample) automatically from point-clouds (with a bit editing as there are often more edges resulting from that function that do not exit as section).

>> they are new to 3d. so it would be a visualization first.

If it's only visualization, then I would prefer more the usage of 3DS-Max than AutoCAD.

3DS-Max can import your FBX without any issue, it can handle large 3D-geometry much faster than AutoCAD can do that and for visualization it has a lot more options, funtions, performance, ....

And it can take your AutoCAD DWG's, so e.g. if your partner has solar panels in AutoCAD, just insert them into 3DS-Max, assign material, finished.

Well, I know, 3DS-Max is a complete different thing if your customer only knows how to use AutoCAD. But learning something new is not a mistake 😉

HTH, - alfred -

[Anonymous]

Alfred. 

awesome reply. 

thank you. 

the clarity and non generic / personalized insight into where I'm at is bar none. 

thank you very much. 

if i were to attach a point cloud zip. 

would you be able to peek and comment if it is up to par for making some lines / vectors ? 

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> would you be able to peek and comment if it is up to par for making some lines / vectors ?

I'll try.

- alfred -

[Anonymous]

Weird ?   Im finding Sketchfab  has the best "render" of  OBJ and FBX. 

takes away some of the grittiness of photogrammetry. (smooths out might be the words)

I was able to change perspective to a "larger" looking model, and put someone standing on the roof perspective so to speak. 

Point cloud file is way too big.  454mb. 

I could we transfer but thats asking you to look at more than a cup of sugar.  more like a 5lb bag. 

I 'WETRANSFER" works for you i will post a link.  

Im going to assume it won't and count my blessings for your help up to now. 

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> I 'WETRANSFER" works for you i will post a link.  

If I don't need to login to any site it will be ok.

- alfred -

[Anonymous]

https://we.tl/HiD751xDHq

do you not think you need to sign in,

[Anonymous]

@Alfred.NESWADBA   above has point cloud in download.   i guess question is is it workable for making lines and such. 

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> i guess question is is it workable for making lines and such

Not really. The RCP does show 2 different point-clouds which are not registered (transformed so that they build up one model)

   

When I look to one of these scans there are no points for the verticals, which means no points representing the walls for the objects. That makes it difficult to automatically build section lines for the walls. But that might be better when the register is done correctly.

From what I see in that state now I would use the pointcloud as an aerial image, draw rectangles and for the elevation of each rectangle I would use the point-cloud object snap to get the correct z-value.

- alfred -

[Anonymous]

wow.  i think you nailed it.  (awesome thoughtful reply)

it's all about the rooftop. solar panels. 

i think thats a dual point cloud not two. 

meaning i imported twice and saved.  

as i only had on piece of data. 

I think your reply has a more positive light ?

the purpose of the this cloud is to get roof dimensions and not see the building otherwise. 

It would fit the bill for that Only ?   object snap is pretty easy thing ?

[Anonymous]

also.  easy to import the  geotiff and line this point cloud on top of it ? 

I've been using georefimg command successfully.....

(separate question)

or maybe start again w the large LAS file  and do something different on import?

[Anonymous]

maybe it's better than draw the lines from the Geo tiff in 2d? Maybe adding a raster image to AutoCAD?
then maybe adding the point cloud for some vertical Heights?

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> maybe it's better than draw the lines from the Geo tiff in 2d

Not really, because there you don't have elevations.

The only reason it might be better to work with a TIFF is because of performance reasons (if the system is not able to handle the loaded point-cloud performant).

The point-cloud itself has a good resolution. Anyway, independent of point-cloud or aerial image, the guy who draws on top of it is the one who can get great or bad results as both of them are raster and not vector object ... meaning it is important to know how to work on top of them.

- alfred -

[Anonymous]

posted on twitter about  FBX w no UV.   posted the link to this convo (after asking they asked me to start thread?!?!)

so @Alfred.NESWADBA

will they finally admit texture mapping isn't working here ?  

maybe fix It ????????? 

: ))))))))

[Alfred.NESWADBA]

Hi,

>> will they finally admit texture mapping isn't working here ?

I can't give answers for Autodesk.

- alfred -