Annotative text and dims Help request!

Annotative text and dims Help request!

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Annotative text and dims Help request!

Anonymous
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Hi,

 

I have a drawing that I just can't seem to figure out if I'm updating these dims and text correctly!  I've searched / Youtube'd etc.  I think I'm on the right track.

 

If you are able to take a quick look at the attached?  The text for dimes and annotation would be the two that has the Century text font.

 

The sections thru the millwork, I cannot seem to get the text and dims for these to work. Ultimately they will be at a 1/2" - 1'-0" but in model space these all should read the same, shouldn't they?

 

I'd really appreciate your input, rite now I seem to be going in circles!

Thanks,

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The 2nd paragraph should read "The text for Dims...."

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David_W_Koch
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The text using the 2250-5100-123-ELEVS-INTR-2$0$ROMANS Text Style is not annotative.  It will display, at that size, no matter what annotation scale is set current.

 

In Section A, the dimensions using the Architectural-Stacked Dim Style (dwg_text text style, CityBlueprint font) are annotative, with a number of different annotation scales assigned.  The 1'-0", 1'-10" and 2'-1 1/2" dimensions have one scale assigned, 1/2" = 1'-0".  The 3'-0" and 6'-4" dimensions have one scale assigned, 1" = 1'-0".  The 102 and 458 dimensions have one scale assigned, 1'-0" = 1'-0".  The values shown on these last two are Text overrides of the 4" and 1'-6" actual dimensions.

 

The drawing file's current annotation scale is set to 1/4" = 1'-0".  The only reason you can see any of the annotative dimensions is because the Show annotation objects tool is set to Always (highlighted).

 

If you are going to use annotative content, you will want to set the intended plot scale as the current annotative scale prior to placing the content.  You can, however, add (and delete) annotative scales to annotative content, so you do not need to delete and redraw the content.  You may want to look into removing the text overrides on the 102 and 458 dimensions, unless you intend to mix imperial and metric units.  (Even if you did want to do that, there are better ways to do so than using a Text override - that number will not change if the dimension is stretched.)


David Koch
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As I continue to struggle along with the ACAD text and dims.. I've tried to incorporate your suggestions, but I can't seem to have the dims and the text make sense.  You made mention about annotative scales to annotative content, not sure what is the diff and how to do this.

 

I find that in the world of Revit it seems to be so much easier.  (I haven't use ACAD for about 6 years!)  

 

Appreciating your input.

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David_W_Koch
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In your most recent file, the scales indicated for the elevation and section views have changed from 1:20 and 1:10 to 1/2" = 1'-0" and 1" = 1'-0", respectively.  That is fine (and those are the closest imperial scales to the previous metric ones).  At Section A, all of the dimensions now have 1/2" = 1'-0" assigned as the only annotation scale, which would be fine, but if you intend to plot the section at 1" = 1'-0", they will likely be two times too large.2019-07-14_ACA2017_SectionA_WrongDimAnnotationScale.png

 

It also appears that most of the dimension scales have been deleted from that file, including 1" = 1'-0".  In the attached file, I took the liberty of running the SCALELISTEDIT command, pressing the Reset button and then choosing Imperial scales to have the standard Imperial scales added back to the drawing.  Then I selected the dimensions at Section A, added 1" = 1'-0" as an annotative scale to them, and removed 1/2" = 1'-0" as an annotative scale.2019-07-14_ACA2017_SectionA_RightDimAnnotationScale.png

 

You still have manual text overrides on the 102 and 458 dimensions.

 


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Thank you for the clarification.  I think when I'm adding dims I should have the annotation scale set.  I still don't understand what is happening with the text.  

The text in white is from the drawing a non annotative drawing I copied them from, explaining the extended txt name in addition to they not being annotative.  The same applies to the text indicated in the Section titles and scales etc.  The text in yellow appears to be okay, however, I doubt this will plot at 3/32"?

The only text names I have wanted to use are:

dwg_txt  - general notes

rm_names  -  room labels and headings for notes and detail titles

 

I have tried to revise the dwg_txt only to have them become smaller after I revise them to annotative. The ultimate pspace text height 3/32" and larger for the rm_names.  Once I have the dwg_txt sorted, I can then revise my wall and room numbers.

 

You have thus far been really helpful, I've not seen anywhere so clearly provided annotative dimensions!

Excuse if I'm asking a lot I have sent a great deal your way. Simply put, I have spent so much time trying to figure this out.

Had I stuck with ACAD for the past 6 years, I wouldn't have to be asking, sorry if I am asking too much!

 

Thanks for your help in this.

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David_W_Koch
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You should set the current annotation scale to the desired scale prior to placing annotative content, so that that scale gets assigned.  That will help you avoid having to add or delete scales later.

 

The MText in Section A that you have changed to the dwg_text Text Style and made annotative has 1/4" = 1'-0" and 1/2" = 1'-0" assigned as the annotation scales.  Adding the 1" = 1'-0" annotation scale to that text AND changing the Paper text height property of that text to 3/32" will give you the height you want when plotted.  You will need to adjust the width of the MText (with 1" = 1'-0" as the active annotation scale) and may need to adjust the location of the MText and/or the leaders.2019-07-15_ACA2020_AnnotativeMText.png

 


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Looks like @David_W_Koch  has given you some good help.  As someone who draws these kinds of details regularly, I would add these suggestions:

  1. Never mix your units up. Dimensioning the backsplash and the space between the backsplash and the wall cabinet in millimeters is nonsensical.  It should coordinate with the elevation's dimensions.
  2. In the imperial mode, all cabinet dimensions should be in inches, not millimeters or feet and inches.
  3. Don't use annotative dimensions for drawings that will always be plotted at a single scale. The bring more problems than they solve.  Use a single scale dimension style instead.
  4. Avoid putting drawings of different scales in the same model space. Use separate drawing files for the details and xref them.
  5. Don't over detail the cabinet drawings. Cabinet builders know how to build cabinets. Most don't use metal standards. They use 5mm holes at 32 mm OC to mount both hinges and shelf pins. This comes back to knowing something about what you are drawing.
  6. Know your ADA requirements.  This design won't pass code in the US. Read the 2017 ICC A117.1 Accessible and Usable Buildings and Facilities
  7. Cabinets shouldn't be directly butting walls. Allow for scribes.
  8. Know the sizes of your appliances.
  9. Use standard scales for elevations.  1:20 is a metric scale

There are so many things wrong with the drawings that you should sub these kinds of drawings to a good Interior Designer and learn as you interact with them until you can do them yourself.  Good luck and best wishes.

 

I will be suggesting that this thread be moved to the AutoCAD forum.

Architect, Registered NC, VA, SC, & GA.
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@David_W_Koch  really appreciate your assistance in this!

 

@dbroad thanks for your input. 

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