Turn off auto route

[Anonymous]

Hi. I am trying to create a hydraulic schematic using Autocad Electrical. I can import all the symbols fine and the look to be in line to each other, my problem is that when i try to insert wire/line between them it bounces automatic all over the place. All i want to be able to do is to create a line, stop, then create a line perpendicular to this line or continue on this line without beeing suggested a route that is totally idiotic, but the program does not allow me to do this. What am i doing wrong?? 

[dougmcalexander]

Press the TAB key on your keyboard, while routing your wire, pipe, etc., to toggle Collision on or off.  Notice the option at the command line.

[Anonymous]

Doesnt really do anything? Are there any options i may have turned on or
something? I added a photo, this is the only route it allows me to do, it
does it automatically even if i just left click to end the line next to the
flow divider. Its reaaaally anoying.

[dougmcalexander]

Make sure you don't have running OSNAPS turned on.  It can cause many issues when trying to route wires or insert symbols.

[Anonymous]

It still jumps to the route shown in the previous picture, i added a photo
for what i turned off.

[jseefdrumr]

There is no way to really disable this, as far as I'm aware. I only see it when I'm trying to draw a wire with only two mouse clicks. You can work around it though, to a certain extent, by using left click to tell it where you want the endpoints to be. It's exactly like drawing a normal line or polyline in regular ACAD.

Jim

[Anonymous]

I've tried this as well, but when i try to give it and end point i just
automatically edit the othe lines in its vicinity. See the photos. The
first picture i drew a line up to the relief valve, the second i drew the
line over to the relief valve, so far so good, then when i try to connect
the flow divider everything goes belly up.

[jseefdrumr]

There are no photos or attachments in any of your posts in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Sorry i just noticed, here are all the pictures that were ment to follow.. The last three pictures are of the process discribed in the lasts reply. 

[jseefdrumr]

Can you post a copy of that drawing? There are several possibilities here and it would be easier to poke around in there to see what's going on.

[Anonymous]

Sure, here it is without any wires. I also notised it wont let me connect to a second wire, it just distorts the drawing producind random lines that ish fit togheter. 

[jseefdrumr]

I mean, can you post it as an attachment, so we can open it up and look at things like drawing settings, block construction, etc.

[Anonymous]

Hehe sorry. 

[jseefdrumr]

Also, you are using ACADE 2018. No one on an older version can open your drawings. Can you repost it, but first do a 'Save As' and make it a 2013 dwg?

[Anonymous]

Does it work now? 

[jseefdrumr]

Yup, I'm going to poke around.

[Anonymous]

Thanks i really appreciate it, its been a pain in my ass and its only a small part of a bigger crane project and i hate spending so much on it hehe

[jseefdrumr]

Two things seems to be working together to make this happen. To see proper behavior of the autorouting feature they should be addressed. Also, I'll put together a screencast for you that shows autorouting working properly in a pneumatic drawing. (Keep in mind that the autorouting is far from perfect.)

1. You are using vertical symbols in a horizontal orientation. You shouldn't rotate symbols, at all, to any degree. Doing so prevents wire connections from occurring correctly, explanation below. For each symbol, you should have a horizontal and a vertical version that are distinct from one another. This applies to all schematic symbols in ACADE, electrical or pneumatic.

2. This drawing's settings report a feature scale multiplier of 2, with a wire trap distance of 1.27. (Think of the trap distance as a zone that surrounds a wire connection point in a symbol. When drawing a wire, any click in that point's 'trap' will force the wire to be connected to that point. The size of the wire 'trap' should be tiny in relation to the symbol itself, but because your feature scale multiplier is set at 2, the end result is that you actually have wire connection 'traps' that overlap one another, and this is something that shouldn't be allowed to happen in a symbol.) At least one of your symbols is smaller than the trap distance (the relief valve is only 1.00 units across). How is ACADE supposed to know which connection point to grab there?

This implies a disparity in your settings. The pneumatic symbols are in Imperial units and your drawing is metric, this could be a large part of your problem. I don't draw in metric, so I can't be sure, but I *think* you can fix this in the drawing or project settings. On the last tab, 'Drawing Format', hit the option for 'inch scaled to mm' and put the feature multiplier back to 1. After doing this the size of newly inserted symbols will change.

If that doesn't work, AND if you have to draw your pneumatics in metric all the time, I would advise using the Modify Symbol Library tool to change the physical size of the symbols so that they work more appropriately. If you're unfamiliar with that command, be sure to review it in HELP and also make a backup of the symbol library folder before running the command.

Can you take a look for us and see how close this gets you? Post back if you get stuck.

Hope this helps,

Jim

**explanation for #1 above: There are attributes inside the symbol that tell ACADE how to connect wires, mainly by telling the software which direction the wire is supposed to 'approach' the symbol from. These are the X?TERM attributes. X1 and X4 control the horizontal direction. Both force wires to be horizontal when making connections. If the X1TERM01 attribute is used, then ACADE expects the wire to approach from the right. If you insert that symbol and then rotate it, the X1TERM01 still says X1TERM01 and ACADE will still 'force' the wire to approach the symbol horizontally. Horizontal vs vertical symbols always use different X?TERM attributes from one another. For more detail, see 'About Schematic Attributes' in HELP.

[jseefdrumr]

for whatever reason it won't let me add the screencast to my other reply, here it is.