Source Arrows different sizes

Source Arrows different sizes

dnielsenFMMEX
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Source Arrows different sizes

dnielsenFMMEX
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I am having a issue where my source arrows going to the right are much bigger than any other direction. I am using NFPA library. See below. When I open HA1S1 and HA1S3 the sizes look the same! I have done this before in the past but cannot figure it out. Just updated to 2022 electrical from 2021 electrical because of new computer. Could I please have some help? I have shown small example of what I am getting below. Maybe inches to mm?? 25.4

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jseefdrumr
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Does this happen in only one drawing, or in every drawing?



Jim Seefeldt
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dnielsenFMMEX
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It happens in all drawings

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testsubject
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Did you make copies of any of these to your "Custom" folder? Symbols are used in a top down fashion based on the order in the list.



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jseefdrumr
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Does this even happen in a brand-new drawing? And does it happen if you try it in one of the demo projects?



Jim Seefeldt
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dnielsenFMMEX
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It happens when I make a new drawing. When I use the IEC example it uses a correct size arrow. It seems to b with the NFPA symbols only. I tried looking at the symbols and cannot find difference from 1 direction to the next. 

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dnielsenFMMEX
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No, I did not do any changes to my custom. This file does not exist in this folder anyway. 

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Icemanau
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What is the scaling of the larger blocks set to?

Ideally, it should be the same as the smaller blocks.

 

What about if you open the block and measure it and then compare it to a smaller block?

 

What happens if you open a new dwg and then do a purge of any blocks before inserting the arrows?

 

Regards Brad

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dnielsenFMMEX
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Hi Brad

I opened the block in question HA1S1 and HA1S3. Both measure the same, had the same scale, and the text had same height and type. maybe I am lookin in the wrong place C:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Acade 2022\Libs\NFPA. Or do I need to initialize something ??? I have to respond here because my networking department is blocking emails sent for Forum. (asked them to fix but have not responded)

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dnielsenFMMEX
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Sorry Brad. What exactly is a "Purge"? maybe ??

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When you start a new drawing and this happens, is that drawing coming from a template? If so, it could be the block definition. That's what Brad is thinking about here, I believe.

 

The PURGE command is a Vanilla command that you shouldn't really use in ACADE unless you know what harm it could do. We'll help you along with that if it comes to that. At the end of this post, though, I'll give you the basics so you at least know what's up.

 

That said, here's what I think you should try: Start a drawing and insert the wrong-sized signal arrow. Then, using the command AESWAPBLOCK, update the block. In the dialog for that command, look in the middle area for 'Option B - Update A Block' and select 'Update a block'. Then, click on the signal arrow and hit enter. Does the arrow change size? It should, because you said that your NFPA symbol is OK. If not, post back with the results. Post the template file too, if you're using one.

 

If that doesn't seem to be the problem, we'll show you how to see which icon menu your ACADE is currently using, and its location, because I feel like that's the next thing in trying to figure this out.

 

time for school....

BLOCK BASICS & PURGE:  When you insert a block in this software, it works just like it does in Vanilla ACAD. It first reads the source file, then copies that information into your drawing, and finally inserts it. When the file gets copied into your drawing, it becomes something known as a 'block definition'. From that point forward, if you want to insert that same block or symbol again, ACADE won't return to the source file, it will refer to the block definition to get the information it needs.

 

If you make edits to the source file of a block, they don't just show up in the drawings where that block resides. If you want that to happen, you have to first delete all instances of that block from your drawing, and then use PURGE to remove the block definition. Finally, at that point, if you try to insert that block again, ACADE is forced to go to the source file for the information and it will now reflect those edits you made.

 

Brad mentioned PURGE because it seems likely that your 'new' drawings are coming in with some block definitions that are wrong.

 

But ACADE has this great tool that sort of does that whole workflow in the background - the Swap/Update Block command. That's the AESWAPBLOCK command I wrote about above. Try that because it's easier.

 



Jim Seefeldt
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Thank you. I kind of thought I was missing something (completely). Both of your suggestions worked. It was my template. I purged HA1S1 from my template, low and behold everything is good. I am using AESWAPBLOCK on existing drawings and correcting. Somehow when I was in working from one computer to another moving drawings newer version etc.. something happened?? Anyway thanks worked like a charm.

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dnielsenFMMEX
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It happens when I do a new drawing. But not when I open IEC sample drawing. Only with NFPA.
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It Happens in all Drawings
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