Problems with AutoCAD Electrical

[ccad2509]

Are you trying to pull some sort of magic trick?

By distracting your user base with the pretty assistant in the hope of people not noticing

ALL THE BUGS, LACK OF DEVELOPMENT AND GENERAL DISASTER THAT ACADE HAS BECOME AS A ENGINEERING PRODUCT

FYI was at a new prospective client yesterday who was struggling with ACADE

After 15 mins going through this forum the light of how bad the product dawned on the Client

Another hour demonstrating one of your competitors cheaper better software applications convinced them that ACADE is a waste of time, and they are now resolved to get rid of it ASAP

Which means another bottle of bourbon to me for giving that ECAD solutions provider a hot sales lead  

[galashkina]

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@rhesusminus  написал (-а):

So, you believe that AutoCAD Electrical is equal to an "ultramodern machine"?

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I believe in it

[rhesusminus]

Well, looking at this video, you'll see that AutoCAD Electrical is an ultramodern steam engine, running on coal.

[galashkina]

I managed to make coffee. I did two things, not one. 😊

[galashkina]

I think it is possible to create a special style for the table and set the number of rows for the table on the sheet.

[ccad2509]

Ok who are you and where’s galashkina

I remember a conversation a few years ago where you was moaning how bad ACADE was and was jealous of some of your colleagues running Eplan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rhesusminus]

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@galashkina wrote:

I managed to make coffee. I did two things, not one. 😊

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While your colleagues using a different software managed to do seven more thing, before grabbing coffee, in the same amount of time 🙂

[galashkina]

Unfortunately... 😞

[galashkina]

Our programmer has written six arx applications for automatic generation:

• List of the element according to the project schemes
• Project connection tables (wires only)
• Connection tables for the selected location, e.g. cabinet
• External wiring tables (cable cores)
• Data cables and wires
• Layout Specifications

These applications are included in the installer.

Unfortunately, these applications need programmer support.

[galashkina]

Electrics is the circulatory system of any object.
An object without electrics is dead.
I don't understand why create dead objects?
This is impossible!!!
For objects to live and function, they must contain an electrical part. This means that AutoCAD Electrical will develop.
I can't think of another logic of life.

[rhesusminus]

I totally agree.

I'm just saying that mostly all other competing software HAVE this. Electrical properties. And it's solved in a much better way.

That's also why we're saying the AcadE really need to be further developed to stay competitive. Preferably programmed from scratch, and maybe integrated into Fusion 360, like Eagle was.

You shouldn't have to know how to program C++ (since you have ARX's) to automated your projects? Your examples are standard functionality in EPLAN for example. Out-of-the-box. 

[JeffatPrimex]

Glad I never had to do cable reports or drawings like those in my 30+ years lol if I had to I would have created some form of automation using AutoCAD API's and for many of our tasks I have done just that. But like everyone here has mentioned the software must outlive the developer for future generations to use. More out of the box fuctions to cover everything is not as rosey as one may think. IMO all new functions and features should be independent components that can be added or removed so the user is not overwhelmed with things that they wont ever use and bog down their system.

Best regards,

J.

[galashkina]

@rhesusminus helped me with the creation of a cable magazine.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-electrical-forum/cable-from-to-for-mounting/m-p/4756853

Unfortunately, this useful application could not be included in the installer.

[JeffatPrimex]

This is a perfect example of AutoCAD Electricals best feature if only Autodesk setup a Forum with an intuitive interface that were organized into component groups, in your case a Cables and Cable Reports component group with a deposit repository for users to upload their components and others can easily try out via load/unload application in AutoCAD Electrical. They can add a star rating 🙂

Best regads,

J.

[rhesusminus]

Best feature... Lisp?

Wouldn't it be better if someone could just create a script in C# or VB.NET, where it's so much easier to get hold of someone that can code, and share it with the world?

You know, like EPLAN: https://eplan.help/en-us/Infoportal/Content/api/2023/RegisterAScript.html?highlight=vb%2Cscript%2C

Competing software ALSO has an API, and most of them surpass AcadE's "API" by miles and miles!

Or, wouldn't an even better feature be that you didn't have to program anything, but that you could do everything via the GUI, out-of-the-box?

Let me know, and I'll show you what AcadE is up against. Let's do a teams meeting, so you can give me your worst.

[JeffatPrimex]

API in general C# lisp VB it don't matter just knowing you have the option to tweak it as you need to. But If they did do some kind of component share it would be best to design it around one of those APIs instead of all of them and of course have samples and step by step guides to creating a component. 

Best regards,

J.

[galashkina]

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@rhesusminus  написал (-а):

Let's do a teams meeting, so you can give me your worst.

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Another problem with the product catalog database needs to be solved. Our advanced factories place a database of their products on the website for import into AutoCAD Electrical. The planet's specialists create videos where they show how to import the database and use it in the project (diagrams, layouts, reports). They also post standard projects based on their products on the website.

[ccad2509]

Don’t bother Trond

Your up against the “if its not there then we can programme it”

In my time over the years challenging this mindset nobody has actually programmed anything

Of use

The fundamental flaw with this argument is you need to be able to imagine the feature that you want

With a lot of the rabid ACADE acolytes they wont even admit there is any other cad package and will not look at their features

So here’s one for the programmers its only been an issue since ACADE 2015 when I first came across it

According to IEC 81346 a wire number adopts the higher level “=” and mounting location “+”

Note I didn’t say Installation as it changed back in 2018 but ACADE has not updated even a text swap

So if I have a Panel with  2 VFDS

=PANEl+VFD1where 22L1 is the wire number so the wire number is =PANEL+VFD1-22L1

And

=PANEl+VFD2-22L1 where 22L1 is the wire number so the wire number is =PANEL+VFD2-22L1

According to the IEC standard these are unique numbers but low and behold

ACADE throws up an error duplicate wire number

Nice and simple issue now getting to be 8 years and not fixed

Maybe somebody can programme a fix !!!

oh and this is want im doing at the moment routing cables using a 3d electrical package not a mechncal package

the red ring is a cable being routed automatically

[jallenDBQ7U]

IMPORTANCE

1) No Bugs (ACADE has too many and nobody fixes them)

2) Import Export between areas of a project are weak

ACADE -> Software Design (IO map for Rockwell, Siemens, Mitsubishi csv import files)

Software Design -> ACADE (Software Export to ACADE PLCIO)

Rockwell has some of this but it is extremely weak (format doesn't match) which makes it not worth the pain of altering the data. 

ACADE needs ability to Export/Import all attributes for components, signals, etc. to a csv/xls rather than a select few items

3) Why do I have to create the "required" attributes for symbols? If they are required for a type of object (schematic/panel) the software should make them for me if they are missing and just let me change their size/location/property values.

4) Why can't ACADE import my new parts into the catalog in Access from a spreadsheet (or even the drawings where I just made them into symbols)?  Reports are painful without putting items in the catalog and putting items in the catalog is slow.

The truth is that ACADE could be a very acceptable package if the features it has now were fixed and improved.

[Thomas.CoxTFXY8]

Enough is enough...

This post should totally be removed, it serves no purpose.

[jallenDBQ7U]

My post or the entire thread?

While I can understand a dislike for individuals trying to advertise competitive products, complaints about bugs and need for improvements is fair game.  How else do we have a voice for a product where we are paying rent?