Form C Table Graphic xREF

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I need to represent a form-c parent in the cross ref table format. However, all it shows is a 2-terminal parent (see attached). If I have a contact attribute, it will display NCNO under type. If I remove the contact attribute, it will show whatever the graphical symbol it is mapped. Regardless, it is always treated as a 2 terminal normally open contact.

I was thinking of just adding a parent without graphical symbol and have all form C as child.

Anyone has better idea?

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I need to represent a form-c parent in the cross ref table format. However, all it shows is a 2-terminal parent (see attached). If I have a contact attribute, it will display NCNO under type. If I remove the contact attribute, it will show whatever the graphical symbol it is mapped. Regardless, it is always treated as a 2 terminal normally open contact.

I was thinking of just adding a parent without graphical symbol and have all form C as child.

Anyone has better idea?

[Icemanau]

As far as I can tell, the Parent is always shown as a two terminal device.

The only device that I can find which has a Form-C contact is the relays. Nothing in any of the switch menus show a Form-C at all.

Trying this with a 3 terminal thermostat by adding a Form-C contact gives me a parent with only two terminals listed in the table.

On a separate note, I did notice that your Table has the shown the Contacts as reversed compared to the actual contacts shown in the screen shot. For example, Terminal 5 on the contact is NC but the table shows it as NO.

This is a fault in the way ACADE inserts the pinlist data and then grabs the XREF data for the cross references.

To fix, reverse the TERM02/TERM03 attributes in the block dwg so that the 02 attributes are on the NO. The contact positions will ten match the pinlist format and the table format. Then update the inserted Form-C blocks

Regards Brad

[Icemanau]

As far as I can tell, the Parent is always shown as a two terminal device.

The only device that I can find which has a Form-C contact is the relays. Nothing in any of the switch menus show a Form-C at all.

Trying this with a 3 terminal thermostat by adding a Form-C contact gives me a parent with only two terminals listed in the table.

On a separate note, I did notice that your Table has the shown the Contacts as reversed compared to the actual contacts shown in the screen shot. For example, Terminal 5 on the contact is NC but the table shows it as NO.

This is a fault in the way ACADE inserts the pinlist data and then grabs the XREF data for the cross references.

To fix, reverse the TERM02/TERM03 attributes in the block dwg so that the 02 attributes are on the NO. The contact positions will ten match the pinlist format and the table format. Then update the inserted Form-C blocks

Regards Brad

[Anonymous]

Brad, Thanks for looking into this.

I work in a protection industry so I ended up scrapping most of the symbols and catalog provided OOTB. Although I am showing a toggle switch symbol. I intend to create a symbols for rotary switch (e.g used in breaker control). Thus needing to represent form-c as parent. As you said, this is not possible so the options I can think of is to separate to a bunch of NO and NC, or create  a graphic-less parent with form-C childs.

I also noticed the NO/NC mix-ups before but thanks for pointing it out.

[Anonymous]

Brad, Thanks for looking into this.

I work in a protection industry so I ended up scrapping most of the symbols and catalog provided OOTB. Although I am showing a toggle switch symbol. I intend to create a symbols for rotary switch (e.g used in breaker control). Thus needing to represent form-c as parent. As you said, this is not possible so the options I can think of is to separate to a bunch of NO and NC, or create  a graphic-less parent with form-C childs.

I also noticed the NO/NC mix-ups before but thanks for pointing it out.

[Icemanau]

I work in a HV CB factory designing control systems for the CB's so I have an idea on what you mean.

I keep all the standard symbols as they are still used but inputs for current, voltage and digital into multi function devices required something different. I tend to use a blank box for the current and voltage inputs and an opto isolator for the digital inputs as shown.

 For the Rotary switches, I tend to use symbols similar to the selector switch shown in the Top Left corner of the screen shot showing the opto inputs. I created these based on symbols I have seen on other dwgs showing similar switches.

Regards Brad

[Icemanau]

I work in a HV CB factory designing control systems for the CB's so I have an idea on what you mean.

I keep all the standard symbols as they are still used but inputs for current, voltage and digital into multi function devices required something different. I tend to use a blank box for the current and voltage inputs and an opto isolator for the digital inputs as shown.

 For the Rotary switches, I tend to use symbols similar to the selector switch shown in the Top Left corner of the screen shot showing the opto inputs. I created these based on symbols I have seen on other dwgs showing similar switches.

Regards Brad