A few question on ACADE - The Benefits

A few question on ACADE - The Benefits

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A few question on ACADE - The Benefits

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Hello All,

The company I work for has AutoCAD Electrical, but we only utilize the "AutoCAD" version.

I used to work in wiring automated software years ago, but we decided for now, we will use the basic version until we have the need for and time to learn ACADE.

The software's I have used before were S.A.W.S and Promis-E.

 

I work in the Automation and Controls Industry. We mostly build PLC panels.

Our drawings are ladder logic. We do not create wiring diagrams. Our fabricators wire the panels from the schematics.

 

My questions are as follows:

1. I understand the basic benefit in the automated softwares like ACADE was that it creates the wiring diagrams for you. You create the schematics and the software will build the wiring diagrams.

Is this still true with the newest version of ACADE?

 

2. If you do not need wiring diagrams to be created from the ACADE software, what are other benefits for using ACADE?

 

3. We are seeing more and more customers who want drawings in AutoCAD Electrical.

Is this the "wave of the future"? Will we be seeing more of this?

 

4. I create my drawings using the basic AutoCAD in the AutoCAD Electrical software. My drawings have no intelligence. Can a person who has and uses ACADE open up a drawing that was created in the AutoCAD basic?

Basically, we have a customer who is asking for drawings to be completed in ACADE. We do not know if they are requesting this because they want the "intelligence" of ACADE? Or if they simply just want to open a drawing in their ACADE software.

 

Thanks you all in advance.

 

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pendean
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3. Very few want "dumb" drawings anymore. Ask your customers to elaborate on their needs, the answer you seek is with them.

4. A "dumb" drawing is a "dumb" drawing, regardless of what variant of AutoCAD opens it (and they all can open your drawings). It doesn't pick up any intelligent objects or databases just by opening it in ACADE.


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Thanks for your comments

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Icemanau
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As has been stated any vertical or base type of ACAD can open the DWG type files. However, those programs won't be able to make sense of the data that is added to the blocks that ACADE can.

 

Mechanical also has some version of intelligence but again, Electrical won't be able to make any use of it as they use different methods. Doesn't stop us Electrical users from opening their dwgs and making changes to the dwg. Same with an 'Electrical' dwg.

 

ACADE's intelligence comes from the ability to utilise the extra information that it adds to the blocks in the way of various attributes, combined with a 'scratch database'. This is what allows Electrical to do things like Reports, Bill of Materials, Live Error Checking, Assigning components and terminal numbers to the connections and so on.

 

Now the most likely reason your client wants you to use Electrical is to gain access to all those lovely reports, error checking and so on. To be able to do this, you need to use the Electrical commands rather than plain ACAD commands.

 

These commands do several things behind the scenes to make it all work. They call up the correct dialog boxes which allow you to select the correct part from the catalogue database. This will more than likely insert the terminal numbers if the data has been added to the catalogue properly. If it's a contact and you associate it with it's coil properly, it will do the cross references automatically and so on.

 

Now all of this data is kept within the dwgs and not within the database. this means that when/if the database crashes, you don't loose al the data. you just delete the database and ACADE will read the dwgs and re-create it.

You can also send the entire project to the client without having to worry about the database as their copy of Electrical will create it's own copy of the database from dwgs.

 

As it has also been stated, you need to speak to your client to find out what they require from you in regards to the dwgs and I would also ask your reseller about available training courses so you can use Electrical to its best capabilities.

 

Regards Brad

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Brad Coleman, Electrical Draftsman
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jseefdrumr
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1. While I have a feeling this isn't exactly what you're looking for, take a look at this link: http://www.ecadconsultant.com/tips.html#Wiring_Diagram. While you're there, you may want to poke around as it's an informative website.

2. *ACADE manages the data for your project, enabling you to extract, on the back end, a large array of reports. This requires that you, on the front end, input certain information when placing symbols. Mostly, this is description, catalog information, and sometimes one or two other details. *ACADE can do lots of project-wide functions: number all the wires in one fell swoop, retag all schematic components, update all title blocks. These functions also work by the individual drawing or work on a set of drawings defined by you. *ACADE will allow you to separate things by their location - for example, we separate our main control panels from our remote control panels with the Installation/Location function. When laying out the panel drawings, I can extract only the components that go in the panel I'm drawing. *If you place a relay or contactor, and if it's in the catalog properly, then ACADE will keep track of how many contacts you've used on that device. It will tell you if you try to add more than the catalog info says it can hold. *There are also a bunch of editing commands that make things easier. Whoops, did you accidentally make that contact N.O.? There's a command that will make it N.C. while maintaining all other aspects of the block, like all that data you entered on the front end. In normal ACAD, if the contact was a block, you'd have to delete and replace. *Which reminds me, in ACADE, you can swap a block for another one. Like, just replace them without the need to delete, purge, and re--insert. *If your panels have bulkhead connectors, ACADE's parametric connector tool comes in pretty handy for showing that. *There's also a parametric PLC builder that will basically create any PLC you can dream up. Although, there are a large number in the catalog already.

3. If you're doing business in North America, then you can probably expect this. ACADE seems to be the dominant software here. We've seen a couple of people we work with make the jump to One AutoCAD this year, attracted by the idea of buying one software and getting all the different verticals in one bundle. Some of them coordinate with several industries and engineering disciplines, and so it's a no-brainer for them; they get value in being able to jump from ACADE to ACADM.

4. This one's been answered pretty thoroughly, lol

 

If you're trying to be aware of ACADE's benefits, be aware of its shortfalls. Explore this forum, there's plenty to see both good and bad about what people think about the software. For me, the biggest issue is that the catalog information has never been universally updated since its inception. Autodesk has always left it up to the vendors to voluntarily submit new information. Not many have. However, ACADE provides you with all the tools you need to maintain the parts catalog, to add, delete, or edit the entries as product lines are born, evolve, and die. Another thing that many see as a shortfall is the need to use ACADE's menus and commands, rather than 'vanilla' ones. However, as Brad noted, using these commands triggers activity in the background. Changes are written to databases, and sometimes drawings are opened and updated right there in front of you. ACADE does try to force you into certain workflows, but that's really so that it can keep track of data management. Normally, it's deviation from those workflows, or using a vanilla command when ACADE has its own version of the same thing, that cause problems.

 

And, I highly recommend that your crew get some good training. The more firmly one is entrenched in making electrical drawings in vanilla, the more difficult it is to adopt the ACADE ways of doing things. But it's almost certainly worth the effort, if done right.

 

Good luck!



Jim Seefeldt
Electrical Engineering Technician


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taniyahunter43
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@jseefdrumr Since you're mainly creating PLC panel schematics and ladder logic drawings, the standard AutoCAD workflow can definitely get the job done. That said, AutoCAD Electrical really starts to show its value when projects grow larger, with features like automatic wire numbering, component tagging, cross-referencing, and easier updates to repetitive designs. Even if you're not producing wiring diagrams today, learning a few ACADE tools could save considerable drafting time and reduce errors on future automation projects.

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caddude1
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1. The newest version of the software has many new or improved features.

 

2. The schematic creation is intelligent and can update several schematic sheets with a single component update. This automates many tasks, however, more importantly, will also reduce errors ant improve drawing accuracy

 

3. The improved drawing accuracy and quality are a big part of ACADE being very popular. Editability after initial release of a drawing is more reliable and easier with ACADE.

 

4. with ACADE, you should really be using the smart component features in the software. However, the drawings will work in standard AutoCAD.

 

 

Mark Behrens
Controls Designer/CAD Manager
42 year AutoCAD user | 15 year AutoCAD Electrical user
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