someone, somewhere is saying "i knew he couldn't be quiet on this one!:)
"And for the whole Revit issue, I really don't want to go there!"
but you did:)
"if you can't model it, you can't draw it!"
in Revit this perception is not true. detailing is easier now since Revit 9
than in AutoCAD/ADT 2007 (fewer clicks and better more stable tools) can't
wait for 08!
"At least we can draw what we can't model!"
again a common perception - where the miss comes in is: In Revit Everything
is Sooo much Easier to model than ADT.
"still to many people using plain AutoCAD (or worse AutoCAD LT)"
or better yet using ACA/ADT as AutoCAD. Can Anyone tell us what percentage
of the .5 million seats of ACA/ADT are being used this way?
what is true is that in Revit its not as easy to "fake" it - but when you
know it, you don't have to fake it.
still don't have ACA... maybe fate?
--
Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
"Larry Bettes" wrote in message
news:5543000@discussion.autodesk.com...
Craig,
First, let me apologize for yesterdays post. It was not a good day and you
received my vent.
You have one up on me; I started with AutoCAD 2.5. The reference to
programming is really about the time it takes for the development of a
program. I think we can all agree that ACA is NOT a simple little program.
It is absolutely amazing what these vertical market products can do! CAD
has become the byproduct of a virtual model that is visually awesome. I
have done enough programming that it is truly overwhelming to me to image
the effort that must go into creating these very complex drawing objects.
In my personal opinion, I just think we get a little blinded by the WOW of
what the program does for us compared to what is used to do, and we start
thinking that if it can do THIS it SHOULD be able to THAT; but we forget
what has to be done the make THAT happen. I may be being extremely
optimistic and giving Autodesk to much credit, but I think the programmers
are working on making the things we WANT available; it just takes more time
than we think it should.
And for the whole Revit issue, I really don't want to go there! I don't
know whether you have used Revit or not: IT IS NOT BASED ON AutoCAD!
EVERYTHING you know about drawing, every workflow you have, every process
you use; throw them all out the window and start over! AND if you can't
model it, you can't draw it! If you think you are frustrated with what ACA
can't model yet, just go play with Revit. At least we can draw what we
can't model!
In my opinion, the biggest problem with the timeframe of new developments in
AEC objects is that there are still to many people using plain AutoCAD (or
worse AutoCAD LT) to do drafting instead of the advanced modeling WE have
come to expect! The AutoCAD programmers have all these DRAFTERS that want
drawing to get easier, but those users won't figure it out that modeling is
what makes it easier and we need their programming resources to make it even
easier!
My rapidiograph set is safely on the shelf next to the Leroy set,
planimeter, and binders of templates (who remembers they used to be made out
of plastic instead of bits?).
Have a good day.
--
Larry Bettes
ADT, C3D & LDT/CD
(all 2007 with all SPs installed)
P4 - Dual Core 3.0 GHz, 3.00 GB RAM
nVidia GeForce 6800 GS AGP - 256 MB
Windows XP Pro, SP 2
wrote in message news:5542311@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well Larry - yes , I do program. This stems from when I used Autocad 2.16
and the only way to get the thing to work properly was to customise using
LISP, BASIC, DOS Batch files, hacks, work arounds, etc. Those were he days
the only thing it could do was line, text, circle and dimensions. I
therefore have had a LITLLE experience with the software. We also used
drawing boards, pens and slide rules.
And yes- ME ME ME ME. I am the customer to Adesk. If I treated my clients
with the same carrots as my clients they would go elsewhere. The customer is
always right and the continung attitude of Adesk just flicking crumbs to
crowd because they have market share is pathetic.
Then came Revit - a real competitor and threat so they bought it and nobled
it. I suspect the same track will happen to its development.
The major upgrade is too slow for the money we pay for it. Its about time
they made a concerted effort to fix the current and develope it up properly
instead of making more GUI improvments. No point if the elements do grow
with the technology.
Where's my 0.25m rapidgraph - who knows what that is ??? Better stil -
velium drawing line. . .
