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[advandes]

Any help would be very much appreciated. Using AS 2019. See attached.

Two questions:

1. Why don't the grid lines show up in these two plan views?

2. Why don't the beams show up in this elevation?

All of these are camera views except for the Anchor Plan

[Anonymous]

The answer in these cases is drawing styles. Items called up in the drawing style will appear on the drawing. Look at the style you used and see if the grid is called up or the appropriate model role associated with the rafters. Sometimes using obscure model roles to make your model more accurate may create output issues further down the track, using beams for beams and plates for plates usually works

[arkli2009]

1.) Grid missing: view depth not enough to cover the grid line at the lower level. You can copy the grid line up to roof.

2.) Beam missing: your details style may missing the "beam" "not linear" view setting, or view depth is not enough. 

Or beam model role not assigned?  or... have to check the model. 

[Sebastian_Eiche]

If I remember correct, the drawing styles in the international don't show purlins.
So I think you use the purlin macro and don't change the role. You could change the role directly in the macro, or you change the details or use another one in which the purlins are shown.
And as the other members wrote, the same problem will exist with your beam.

[AleckGiles]

HI,

As you say @Anonymous model roles have a significant affect on drawings. In fact they are critical to getting good drawings. So I though I would give a little more information on this.

Don't just call everything Beam or Plate. This will not give good single part or assembly drawings. You do not draw railings the same as rafters the same as bracings do you? Therefore the system needs to know what type of part each object is in order to select and use the best set of drawing rules - Drawing Style - for that object. Just using Beam or Plate uses the same generic style for everything; not the best.

You would have to analyse the drawing styles to see which roles are useful and which are not referenced and therefore pointless. There seem to be many roles in the UK build that are not used in drawing styles and are therefore pointless - I wish I could remove them. Apart from analysing the drawing styles remember that everything created by a macro or joint has the correct model role automatically assigned. So you won't go far wrong if you use the same roles for your parts.  At Graitec UK we provide our trainees with lists of which model role to use when but this will not necessarily be the same for other builds.

You will never get the best automatic drawings unless you master this.

[Anonymous]

I couldn't agree more. I may have oversimplified things by saying use beams and plates, which I know is not the case. It is the use of non reference obscure names as you say that gets people into trouble, hence my comment. In any model you have columns, beams, rafters, many different types of plates, usually automatically assigned when using connections, here in the Australian release we have got a lot of obscure or redundant model roles too which are not relevant to the way things are done here and don't match with our Drawing styles. For new users until they get familiar with what they are doing if it is just a beam then call it so, if it is just a plate call it plate and they won't have any problems should have been how I said it.

Thanks for picking me up on that.

Gary

[AleckGiles]

Hi Gary,
I guessed you would likely know that stuff 😊. My comments were more for the greater audience.
Regards,
Aleck.

[HaniTartour]

you are right i face this problem many times 

and i'm searching for that also 

how can i fix that

[advandes]

This sounds like very good information as I am into the AS program by around 3 months and have produced a half dozen projects with much excitement and disappointment. It appears as though the Model Roll only assigns a roll to columns, and leaves all the other assignments up to the user, is that generally a true statement? Is it essential that ALL components be assigned a Model Role? Please see attached screen capture for clarification. For my understanding, is it this pull down where all model roles are assigned? Does the box to the left have to be checked? Thank you very much for all of your expert advise! The advise has been a huge part of my success for the past couple months.

[advandes]

The model role in this case for these beams was simply "Beams". Why would they not show up in the view? Still confused!

[AleckGiles · Accepted solution]

Hi,

Anything created by a macro or joint gets the correct model role assigned automatically. Don't change those even if you can.  (The Column command is especially for columns so assigns the Column role for you). Anything you draw manually will start with the model role NONE. This will generally produce a generic drawing at best.

To get the BEST automatic drawings YOU MUST assign a role to every member. Leaving something on NONE is NOT generally acceptable. Use the Search Filter to find objects with model role = None. There are likely many more roles in the list than actually do anything useful so selecting the best role is possibly going to be a challenge. In general go for the most obvious like Rafter, Column, Base Plate or compare what a joint calls something similar. Don't just call everything Beam or Plate. Beam is correct for general beams or Floor Beams but use Rafter, Column, Roof Bracing etc where appropriate. Plate is only for when the plate is the most important part of the assembly. For every other plate use something more specific like Gusset Plate, End Plate, T Plate, Stiffener, Bracket Plate etc. (most of those can be compared to automatic joints).

Yes, you are showing the correct list in your screenshot. NO, generally you should not tick the box at the start of the line. (See the note at the bottom of the dialog).

[AleckGiles]

Hi,

That is then getting quite involved to investigate. Probably down to the drawing style selected. Try a different Style.