Views missing in drawing production

Views missing in drawing production

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Views missing in drawing production

patricksmithMXHYT
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I have just begun a new job detailing steelwork for mobile telecomms projects. Using Advance Steel 2020, I am having issues with drawing production. For example, I have a one meter 100x10EA with holes in both faces, yet when I produce a drawing using Assemblies A3 - Single - BOM, instead of the expected front, top and end views, all that appears is a front view. It still shows the holes in hidden line for the flange that is edge on in view, but one cannot, of course, determine the position of the holes laterally on the flange from this view. I can force another view to appear by clicking on the green viewport and enabling other views, but information is missing - features such as hole center lines etc. - which makes accurate detailing for fabricators impossible.

 

I have no idea where to begin to restore what has always, for me, been a default in the programme whenever I have used it in the past. I've never had occasion to interfere with this vital and basic function of the software so don't know where to begin to restore it.

 

If anyone can offer any advice on this I would be enormously grateful as the company has no support agreement with Graitec and  no one else here is sufficiently knowledgeable of the software to help and I just can't produce the drawings I need to. 

 

Very many thanks

Patrick

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Message 2 of 20

mick-CNF
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Have the model role as beam and use the drawing style for beam.

You get far better results using drawing styles rather than processes, you can choose your prototype and drawing number before you generate the drawing.

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AleckGiles
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Hi,

 

You refer to an assembly drawing of the beam. Assembly drawings are primarily to show the relative position of welded items not how to manufacture the items. Try a part drawing of the beam and see if that is any better. 

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Sebastian_Eiche
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sorry but this is not true. 
The result of drawing styles and processes are the same. the used drawing styles in processes could be defined by the user in process manager. 

the same could be done with the prototypes, the naming and so on.

 

Maybe @patricksmithMXHYT  maybe you told us what version (language) you installed, so we could have a look what could be the problem. If I use the process (in the german installation) the result is showing all necessary views)


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Hi,

 

A drawing process selects the appropriate style to draw an object based on the model role of the object. So if the model role is "beam" it will give the same drawing as selecting the beam style. Unless you are not choosing the style that is default in the system. In which case your processes can be adjusted to select your prefered styles. (For example, the default UK build uses "General Assembly NesView" for beam assemblies which fixed a lot of issues with the old "Beam - Front, top, bottom" style. But one style won't please everyone so both are in the system.)

 

A process also can select a suitable scale and paper size for you. They always set the filename for you.

 

So if you use the correct model roles for everything a process is miles better and faster than selecting styles yourself and having to draw each item one by one. Many people just call everything Beam or Plate and that is why the drawings come out poor.  Selecting the right model roles is critical to getting the best automatic drawings.

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@AleckGiles 😛  I was faster 😇

 

By the way...how long we have new smilies in the forum?


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alickomay
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have u tried the nesercery view wizard 

output/document maneger /necessary views wizard

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patricksmithMXHYT
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Aleck

 

Looking in the Drawing Process Manager, which option am I looking for to achieve a multiple view drawing production? Have to confess to having very little exposure to this section of the program and feeling a little baffled by it all at the moment (getting married at the end of the month which isn't helping stress levels either 🙄)

 

Any chance you can point me at the right place to look? Just need a normal multiple view of a part that allows for dims on each viewed face. 

 

Thanks for your help on this one, my man. Much appreciated. 

 

Kind regards

Patrick

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Sebastian_Eiche
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the used detailstyle could be set in the Detail Style Map:

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here you could set the detail style which is used for explizit model objects


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AleckGiles
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Hi Patrick,

 

@Sebastian_Eiche is too fast for me. He has answered about the part of the Drawing Process manager. However, you should not need to change anything. As you initially imply, it should give the views automatically using the standard UK build. 

 

Without the model we are just guessing. Please can you post the model with the appropriate beam highlighted somehow so we can test. 

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patricksmithMXHYT
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Aleck

 

Of course, I should have thought to attach the model. I've coloured one of the angles that is only showing a single view on drawing production. Hopefully you'll be able to spot where the issue lies. I will have another look at Seb's help, see if I can follow his advice. 

 

Thanks again, my man. 

 

Kind regards

Patrick

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patricksmithMXHYT
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Hi Sebastian, 

 

Thank you for the post in reply to my problem. I have opened the Drawing Process Manager which seems to differ slightly from the version you're working with. I've attached a screen grab of the version I have, which seems to be greyed out in the areas you have active and editable. Just feel a little lost at the moment in not seeing what it is I need to change. I've never had Advance Steel give me anything other than multiple views in drawing production and this is hugely puzzling. 

 

if you can give me a shove in the right direction I'd be very grateful. 

 

Kind regards

Patrick

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AleckGiles
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Hi Patrick,

 

I don't think you should mess with the Drawing Processes. Having started looking at your model I get the same result. The views are requested by the drawing style but the necessary view wizard decides they are not needed. Which is wrong. All the settings are right, so give me some time to work out why it is not giving the expected result.

 

(For future reference, the reason your settings are greyed out is that you are in Advance and you can only edit the User settings.)

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patricksmithMXHYT
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Aleck

 

you manage to sort this out and get me producing sensible fabrication drawings, you will shoot straight to the top of my Christmas card list, here to tell you! Your last message was a tonic. At least if you, as an Advance Steel God, can't see what's immediately wrong, I feel better about not being able to spot it myself. 

 

Hope to hear from you. 

 

Kind regards

Patrick

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AleckGiles
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Hi Patrick,

 

The issue here is nothing to do with the drawings styles or drawing processes. Your holes are not strictly on the surface of the part and are possibly not perpendicular to the part.  Therefore the normal reactions in the drawing are not triggered.

 

If you put your UCS on the part and then use the distance command to measure form the end of the system line to the node in the middle of the bolt group you will get a distance in each of the three axes (might need to up the decimal places on your units). This is not right. One axis shoudl definitely be zero.

 

Delete and remodel the holes with the UCS on the part and ensuring the holes are truly on the surface of the part and you will get a proper drawing with 2 views and fully dimensioned holes. 

 

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Aleck

 

I will give that a go now. Good spot, my man. 

 

Patrick

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patricksmithMXHYT
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Aleck

 

I am in awe. An amazing spot, there. Never had that before. The offset to the perpendicular must have been pretty small, as everything looked ok but obviously wasn't. Can't begin to thank you enough for your efforts. Drawings produced and fabricators happy. 

 

Life is good, thanks to the Graitec God that is Aleck. 

 

Very many thanks and speak again soon I hope (but socially rather than issues haha)

 

Kind regards

Patrick

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VillHamp
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Hello, I have a similar problem, I have two beams with holes, one have holes on the bottom and one have holes on both bottom and top.

I have columns who are bolted via connections.

 

When making drawings through processes it only draws front views, but when through styles i makes all sides, top bottom and front.

 

In Processes it points to 6.01 in styles.

 

Necessary views do display holes on upper and lower.

 

I have no clue why it is different. I have to make it right. Any ideas?

 

// Vilhelm

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bigcarl5000kg
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Hi @VillHamp,

 

I have the same problem, in a little bit different version. If I create a drawing via the Process manager, all the hole symbols will be displayed. Via the Drawing style manager, either some or no hole symbols are displayed. This also happens if I update the drawing (directly in it or via the Document manager) created via the Process manager - the symbols will disappear.

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tejinderpb26
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Hi Guys, I am facing a bit similar issue, but in my case, I cant see the view at all, can anybody please help me with this please. This is how my drawings look like.  it's just showing the title not the view.

 

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