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Stair Rails , Pickets and added parts help

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Message 1 of 32
advandes
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Stair Rails , Pickets and added parts help

Using AS 2019

It may be hard to se in the attached rendering, but I have had to add 1/2" sq bar stock all around the inside of the handrails. I have had to shorten every picket one at a time in order to show this correctly. Every time I update the railing system the trimmed pickets go revert back to the original state (the trims are all removed)

 

So two questions:

1. Is there a way to trim the pickets as a group instead on one at a time?

2. Is there a way to save the railing so that the pickets do not revert back?

 

I have attached the file if that helps. Thanks!

 

 

 

 

AAG
Advance Design
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Message 21 of 32
mick-CNF
in reply to: advandes

Here you go.

If this information solves your problem please accept as a solution.
Message 22 of 32
mick-CNF
in reply to: advandes

Your last post was 1.5" from the end of the beam, so change to 0 which moves the post, then change the move end base point to -1.5" which moves it back to where it was.

If this information solves your problem please accept as a solution.
Message 23 of 32
egrote
in reply to: advandes

Within the power pack railing macro there is a lengthen/shorten setting for the pickets.  I have used this many times and have had success with it.  It works perfectly for rails that are dead flat.  The railings that our company makes for stairs and ramps are made of a 3/8x3 flat bar frame, with 1/2 sq stock pickets.  This was tricky to figure out as everything defaults to pipe rail.  Our pickets and flatbar always have square cut ends regardless if flat or sloped.  For sloping rails, I used the cut into feature to achieve the square cut on the pickets and again used the lengthen/shorten feature to cut them square in the correct spot.  The cut into feature works just like a wood workers mortise and tenon joint.  I know that eventually the connection box will be deleted as I cannot get some rails to 100% complete with the macro.  The cut features will be removed once the connection box has been deleted.  The downfall to using the lengthen/shorten picket is when you have a sloped top bar meeting a flat top bar on stair rails.  The pickets on the flat follow what was entered into the cut into feature, but manually modifying (5) pickets instead of (60) is a no-brainer decision.  Please reach out if any of this is not understood, I have never been the best teacher.  After 5 years of adance steel.  I have finally made the time to figure out stairs and railings with the macro's.

We have been building railings from 2D cad drawings for way to long.  Our fabricators could care less, as long as they are accurate and can be built.  Using advance, however, will allow us to automatically generate lists and bills of materials and start accounting for the materials instead of doing it the caveman way.  It becomes a linear footage game for us to purchase sticks of material.  Between the 1/2 pickets and the 3/8x3 flatbar, we use an ungodly amount i'm sure.

Message 24 of 32
ChristianBlei
in reply to: advandes

Hi,
1. for me it would be really helpful to have a model or drawings to understand what you describe.

2. Are you happy with the Power Pack or is there stuff that is missing?

Christian Blei
CBT Christian Blei Tools
christianblei.de
youtube.com/channel/UCxjA_NbeScQy9C0Z1xjwXpw
Message 25 of 32
mick-CNF
in reply to: ChristianBlei

@ChristianBlei 

 

Agreed, screenshots would be helpful.

I don't know if this is asking for a solution to a problem or pointing something out.

I have the Powerpack and am happy to try to help anyone else who has it.

If this information solves your problem please accept as a solution.
Message 26 of 32
egrote
in reply to: ChristianBlei

Questions: Sent on 10/8
As questions
#1: Can the Clip angles be separated within the macro, so the legs of the angles face each other? This will interfere with the next rail if they always point in the same direction.
#2: Can the system line/position of the flat bar be adjusted to anything other than the center of the profile? I did see this option when using railings included in the power pack, but this seemed to only be for the horizontal bars and not the posts.

In Response to #1:
Since we could not figure this out within the macro. Everything appears correct except for the clip angle direction. We erased the connection box. Erased the clip angles and bolts. Used the railing post connection. Created (1) connection for the left and (1) for the right. There are (2) scenarios in the mockup model with notes. This worked well but if it is achievable within the connection, please let us know.

In response to #2:
This is only asked to avoid using the post offset along rail axis setting. 1 is set to positive 0’-3/16” and 2 is set to negative 0’-3/16” to keep the posts flush to the outside of the top horizontal.
This is the part of the macro that is not carried back over when pulled from the library for later use. Using transfer properties does work quicker than opening and modifying the setting within the connection.

Message 27 of 32
ChristianBlei
in reply to: mick-CNF

Hi Mick,

I prefer data to images- a model or 2D drawings, a model.




Christian Blei
CBT Christian Blei Tools
christianblei.de
youtube.com/channel/UCxjA_NbeScQy9C0Z1xjwXpw
Message 28 of 32
egrote
in reply to: mick-CNF

Another question is:
When using the power pack railings macro, it is constantly throwing a message that the profile I am using is not found in the database or library. If it is referring to the 3/8x3 flatbar that i chose from the library or referring to something that I typed in with spaces or special characters. These rails are as simple as pipe rails only made of flatbar, but for some reason it doesn't like flatbar. I have done well and have gotten the results I am after without much help.

The power pack is the way to go for us, there is more powerful tools than the out-of-box rail macros. We will continue purchasing and are very satisfied with it.

I know some of the mockup models and drawings are a mess. They are mockups created to help me figure out how to do railings within the software. I tried to stay organized, but by the time you recieved the request, I understand it's very confusing on your end.

Thank you
Message 29 of 32
mick-CNF
in reply to: egrote

Can you do a screenshot of what is happening to see what you are doing and why the flat bar is wrong?

If this information solves your problem please accept as a solution.
Message 30 of 32
egrote
in reply to: mick-CNF

flat bar is NOT wrong, the fact that it's throwing a profile could not be found in the database message is the only concern. I am simply trying to figure out why. this keeps me from saving my settings in the user library for later use. When trying to load what's saved, it only works partially. You asked for a screenshot. Of what, particularly?
Message 31 of 32
mick-CNF
in reply to: egrote

You mentioned something about cutting and deleting the joint box.

I try to avoid deleting the joint and use other features to cut but have them in a group.

With the profile could not be found have a look here.

 

https://www.autodesk.com/support/technical/article/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/The-following-prof...

 

If this information solves your problem please accept as a solution.
Message 32 of 32
egrote
in reply to: mick-CNF

I understand. Removing the connection box is a last resort for me as well. See attached screenshot & my confusion. This is a simple flat rail, so it was able to be completed, keeping the connection box intact. Simply double clicking the connection box produces the profile not found in database message. It contains only (3) advance steel profiles 3/8x3" flat bar, ½ square pickets and 7x4x3/8 angles for stanchions. These profiles were chosen from the database, they are not user created thus no user data has been entered to consider spaces and characters as your link mentions.

I only mentioned erasing the connection box and removing the cut features because it was less work to do so when it comes to sloped rails. I'd rather have the macro cut the pickets square, especially since there could be a thousand or more to cut manually.
It's easier and faster to let the macro do most of the work and manually tweak what it cannot accomplish for us.

One thing I found that I think is crazy, is that the clip angle stanchions cannot be oriented in different directions. Its one way or the other. Within the macro, I have learned to choose no connection, then apply a railing post connection later. 1 for the left and 1 for the right. If they all pointed the same direction, it would interfere with the next railing's clip angle.

One logical reason to remove the connection box in my case is to save time by not having to manually cut a infinite number of pickets.

The cut into feature that I explained before is the only way I could get a sloped rail to cut the pickets square. I wish I had more control over the feature within the macro but it's just not there to tell it not to create it.
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