MOVING DIMENSIONS AND LABELS WHEN UPDATE

[nealO99]

I am beyond frustrated.  Has there been a fix for the moving dimensions and labels when updating?  I see it talked about a lot but no one has a solution.  Or none that I have found and its making it near impossible to get my project done.  

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adrian.Mangan]

Mine do not seems to move so much anymore, going back to 2018 version, not sure if it was something I was doing before that had them moving so much. Not really of any help to you but just wanted to let you know how it was going for others.

Good luck

[jess_neal]

There is improvement over 2018 for sure but I still get tons of stuff moving upon force update in 2019 still. 

[Anonymous]

As for my team and I, we have begun a method of exploding the dimensions when we first finish our drawings.

We just keep careful with what we changed in the model before updating so we know where to adjust.

It helps reduce a lot of extra cleanup for us and forces us to double check everything so not much gets missed.

Not the most elegant of solutions, but very effective for us.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the dimension explode  idea. This will help me out.

[Flies-Eyes]

We have giving up requesting fixes, its a waste of time and energy. You will find doing everything you can not to need to make changes is of the utmost importance.

[acbsdesign]

Neal, 

Same as Adrian, mine do not move as much as it used to be before the 2019 version.

Dimensions add points occasionally:

1. On erection plans-snap to nearest grid's grip

2. On erection details-occasionally snapping to adjacent bolt holes

3. On beams and columns dwgs-very stable, not as used to be

Labels:

1. They do not move anymore on erection plans when labels are oriented per compass

2. Labels move occasionally on beams and columns drawings, but again, I feel more confident when updating. I had a very complex project recently with 100% manual dimensions, with 0% moving during update-Impressive improvement

1. Please make sure you check "proffered for manual dimensions" in steel osnap in your drafting settings.

2. In MT: Filter "update", under Drawings-dimensioning, General, set "Manual dimension points behavior" to: "Don't erase manual dimension point"

3. Also-some antivirus software packages are known to cause issues.

4. Repair SQL server

5. It is also possible to be due to hard drive issues, it happened in the past 

If developers want to make the software even more stable:

1. Block regenerating of default cut views in columns and beams drawings during update

2. Block movement of cut views during update-these cause mess and unnecessary time wasted for us.

3. Block the occasional snapping to bolt holes in erection drawings

@Gernot.Jeromin, it will be great if we hear what do you think about the 3 lines above.

Regards,

Ilko Dimitrov

ACBS

[jess_neal]

@acbsdesignThanks for that list. I had not done #2 yet for some reason. I'm on Win7 with MS security Essentials so I don't think that is an issue. I'll have to screencast the next time it happens and is repeatable. 

These two are huge as well. What a pain in the ass constantly deleting and moving cut views.

1. Block regenerating of default cut views in columns and beams drawings during update

2. Block movement of cut views during update-these cause mess and unnecessary time wasted for us.

[DumitruBerteanu]

Regarding those cases of dimensions and labels moving during update with the 2019 version of Advance Steel, could you please send us some sample files where the issue appears?

For the cuts moving during update, we are currently looking into this behavior to stabilize their position. 

[Gernot.Jeromin]

It is good to hear that, at least some of you, are more satisfied with the Advance Steel dimensions and labels.

And thanks especially for this post, it would be great to know if it helps other users to improve the update process. The more feedback we get, the better we can improve.

In regards to your last 3 items, we are working currently on cut view improvements, and I will pass it on to your developers today.

For item number 3, I am not sure what the problem is. If you can send me a more detailed information, I will have a look at it.

Regards,

Gernot

[acbsdesign]

Mr. Jeromin,

Attached please find two screen shots with added dimension points at grid lines and around holes in erection plans.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Ilko Dimitrov

ACBS

Added dimension point during update2'-8" dimension after update

[Gernot.Jeromin]

Thanks for the fast replay.

I will discuss it with our development next week.

[DumitruBerteanu]

Hi Ilko. Thank you for the pictures. Could you please send us some more clarifications, to make sure we understand the issues better:

In the first picture, are you referring to that preferred manual snap point on the end of the grid line, which can be manually dimensioned ? Or in your case is a point that appears during update, even if it wasn't dimension?

In the second picture, did you dimension the center of those two bolts, and then those additional points appeared during update ? With what presentation were the bolts detailed ? (the picture is a bit fuzzy if zooming in)

[advandes]

I have been using Advance Steel since its release, and I still have this problem with dimensions and text moving constantly with updates. Probably the most frustrating and ridiculous software glitch I have ever had to deal with. Come on people (software developers) get this fixed... Please 8-)

[Sebastian_Eiche]

I really don't want to say it complete done, but I think in Version 2020 dimensions and labels are extremely stable. I'm not sure why you have such problems, maybe you use old prototypes or databases?

Do you try to use the original installed files databases, without migration? This would be very interesting. 
And if you want, that the development do something, they need files to have a look and find the problem.

[advandes]

I am not sure what or how anything would be old. I am simply using version 2020.   I don't remember what happened when I installed the new version as far as being asked about migration, etc. If that is the case, how am I suppose to fix this issue? I have prototypes setup from previous versions the way I like. I certainly don't want to go through and recreate them all. Very confusing for someone who is not a software engineer. I have attached one of many projects I am currently working on where this issue occurs on a regular basis. Thanks.

[Sebastian_Eiche]

sorry for the delay. I create a detail of your camera "roof slab"--> you define a detail style which I don't have so I use a 3D view style. on the detail I delete some dimensions, create some labels, move some labels update the detail---all is good.

Then there's a camera which is define as "CROSS SECTION THROUGH TRASH CHUTE", here you set a singlepart detail style (6.02-SP Angle) as used style. And this is not a working. A detail which is based on "detailling a singlepart" could not really work for a camera which is showing a crosssection of the whole model. 
Then I could see dimension moving and so on, but this is a behavior which is comprehending or not?

[advandes]

Thanks Sebastian,

That is strange that the Camera View would change Style on your end. The Style I have for the CROSS SECTION..... and Slab Plans is: 3 - Elevation View - Full.

It is also strange that some labels and dimensions that I have moved continue to move back to where they were after I do a Forced update. This is my biggest complaint right now with Advance Steel. It wastes my time and many times I have to go back and recreate PDF drawings because of this problem. You say this should not happen with 2020, but I clearly continue to have these issues. I don't want to loose any prototypes I have modified along with the Management Tools settings I have established, but I would like to solve this problem once and for all. Thanks for your help.

[advandes]

I have attached 3 screen captures of an example that just happened with AS 2020.

01-Initial assembly drawing 

This is what AS created with Selected Camera Page Full

02-modified assembly drawing 

This shows that I added dimensions and labels

03-forced update drawing 

This is the result after one forced update, Labels moved. Usually the added dimensions move too. That may happen in another forced update.

[acbsdesign]

Hi,

The labels as shown on your screenshots are not supposed to move, such overlapping occurs only if steel is moved and label stays.

Another thing is-it takes less than an hour-I would "update" / re-create all prototypes modified in previous years. 

GA dwgs are 99%+ stable, no labels should move unless label is moved manually to the other half of the beam length and dwg update is placing them near the correct end to match the detailing orientation.

Devs did a great job making AS2020 stable, there are a few occasions when dims still move, they are aware of them and probably we will see them improved.