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Copy vs Deep Copy Drawing style

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Kirk_bailey
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Copy vs Deep Copy Drawing style

Kirk_bailey
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  1. So i've been wondering, Why shouldnt i deep copy a drawing style?
  2. I know that i shouldnt but why not?
  3. What's the difference between deep copying and just using the plain old export import method?
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Copy vs Deep Copy Drawing style

  1. So i've been wondering, Why shouldnt i deep copy a drawing style?
  2. I know that i shouldnt but why not?
  3. What's the difference between deep copying and just using the plain old export import method?
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Anonymous
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It used to be advised to deep copy. Now its advise not to deep copy ?????????????? OMG

Forget about importing styles from 2015. Totally does not work. For me.

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It used to be advised to deep copy. Now its advise not to deep copy ?????????????? OMG

Forget about importing styles from 2015. Totally does not work. For me.

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AleckGiles
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Hi,

 

Copy creates a new drawing style that still links to all the same sub members and objects inside it. You will need to carefully copy any of these that you make changes to or you could screw up other existing styles. However, this keeps a smaller and tidier database in the long run.

 

Deep Copy copies the drawing style and every single entity within it. Even simple things like the Labelling strategy called Off. This means that you never run the risk of changing something else in the system but you get a larger and very messy database with umpteen "copy of ..." items like "copy of OFF", "Copy (2) of OFF", "copy (3) of OFF" etc. Unless you are very good at renaming each of these as you go you will never know what the differences are, if any, later.

 

I am not convinced the compact function with the purge option detects and clears all duplicates but you can try it.

 

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Aleck Giles

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Graitec, UK

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Hi,

 

Copy creates a new drawing style that still links to all the same sub members and objects inside it. You will need to carefully copy any of these that you make changes to or you could screw up other existing styles. However, this keeps a smaller and tidier database in the long run.

 

Deep Copy copies the drawing style and every single entity within it. Even simple things like the Labelling strategy called Off. This means that you never run the risk of changing something else in the system but you get a larger and very messy database with umpteen "copy of ..." items like "copy of OFF", "Copy (2) of OFF", "copy (3) of OFF" etc. Unless you are very good at renaming each of these as you go you will never know what the differences are, if any, later.

 

I am not convinced the compact function with the purge option detects and clears all duplicates but you can try it.

 

Regards,

Aleck Giles

Application Engineer

Graitec, UK

Aleck Giles, Structures Consultant, Graitec
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Kirk_bailey
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Aleck, I've come to the point where I think I should just delete all of my user drawing styles and start over because about 90% of my user styles don't work in 2016 after the database restructuring included in R2 I'll also hoof some blame for shear laziness in copying.

Anyway, to sum it up, is there a method to scrap the Drawing Style Database (user customizations) and start from scratch?
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Aleck, I've come to the point where I think I should just delete all of my user drawing styles and start over because about 90% of my user styles don't work in 2016 after the database restructuring included in R2 I'll also hoof some blame for shear laziness in copying.

Anyway, to sum it up, is there a method to scrap the Drawing Style Database (user customizations) and start from scratch?
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muleman1
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@Kirk_bailey  I finally think I am ready to tinker with creating custom drawing style....any suggestions?  copy or deep copy?? If i just copy how do I keep mods from affecting other drawing styles?? How do you identify and/or choose from the 100's of dimensioning styles?

 

....How easy it is to acquire knowledge, yet how difficult and painstaking is the process of gaining wisdom. .... Chuck Swindoll
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@Kirk_bailey  I finally think I am ready to tinker with creating custom drawing style....any suggestions?  copy or deep copy?? If i just copy how do I keep mods from affecting other drawing styles?? How do you identify and/or choose from the 100's of dimensioning styles?

 

....How easy it is to acquire knowledge, yet how difficult and painstaking is the process of gaining wisdom. .... Chuck Swindoll
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johnjmbennett
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What every you do, do not use deep copy. It causes a great deal of confusion in the database.

 

there is a setting in the management tools that controls what the copy name is called , by default it is set to Copy of , you can change it so you have reference you are expecting to see.

 

if you have a company or personal reference, then use that as the reference.   MM style for example.

 

look in the DSM and start with a style you wish to copy,  then copy it,  setting it to a name you require, possible combination of both the old style and the new prefix.

 

then when in place, the next important step is to make sure you copy each important part of the style with the same prefix name, so then you have a separate reference to the original.  This is so that if you alter any element , you are not altering the orginal.

 

Key key one is the presentation rule, make it you copy.

 

view direction and rules are well covered by existing ones , so you may not need to create new ones.

 

this goes for label types, dimension styles also.

 

Youcan also create a folder for you style to reside in, this can have the new style moved into it.

 

There are many layers to this, you have to be very careful at every level, but it is achievable.

 

There where some good materials from an au course in 2015, by Emy nestor , you can search for those they will help.

 

i expect you know about the other. Akn areas that have drawing styles and process information.

 

To much to post here in a forum entry.

 

good luck

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What every you do, do not use deep copy. It causes a great deal of confusion in the database.

 

there is a setting in the management tools that controls what the copy name is called , by default it is set to Copy of , you can change it so you have reference you are expecting to see.

 

if you have a company or personal reference, then use that as the reference.   MM style for example.

 

look in the DSM and start with a style you wish to copy,  then copy it,  setting it to a name you require, possible combination of both the old style and the new prefix.

 

then when in place, the next important step is to make sure you copy each important part of the style with the same prefix name, so then you have a separate reference to the original.  This is so that if you alter any element , you are not altering the orginal.

 

Key key one is the presentation rule, make it you copy.

 

view direction and rules are well covered by existing ones , so you may not need to create new ones.

 

this goes for label types, dimension styles also.

 

Youcan also create a folder for you style to reside in, this can have the new style moved into it.

 

There are many layers to this, you have to be very careful at every level, but it is achievable.

 

There where some good materials from an au course in 2015, by Emy nestor , you can search for those they will help.

 

i expect you know about the other. Akn areas that have drawing styles and process information.

 

To much to post here in a forum entry.

 

good luck

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Bennett
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alickomay
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im still not seeing the problem with deep copy  it seems easier to make new stuff when changing one style doesn't change other styles 

 

u get a smaller / more tidy data base    but wots the advantage of that  

is the drawing production time directly related to the size of database as in if my data base twice the size  will it take 2x the time to make drawings 

 

im still not seeing the problem with deep copy  it seems easier to make new stuff when changing one style doesn't change other styles 

 

u get a smaller / more tidy data base    but wots the advantage of that  

is the drawing production time directly related to the size of database as in if my data base twice the size  will it take 2x the time to make drawings 

 

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