Advance Steel Officially in Maintenance Mode

[Julio_Soto]

https://blogs.autodesk.com/revit/2023/03/29/advancing-steel-detailing-and-design-at-autodesk/

So AutoDesk officially put Advance Steel in maintenance mode. There will be no new features added to this software. I assume that the Ideas forum is basically a graveyard now. Thanks for nothing AutoDesk. I gotta say I'm pretty pissed about this. 

Here is a quote from the article

"As we strive to bring these BIM-connected workflows and added value to our customers, we are shifting efforts to advancing and accelerating our steel capabilities in our BIM, data and collaboration platforms.  This means pivoting away from developing new features in Advance Steel and placing it on maintenance mode. "

[ The subject line of this post has been edited due to misinformation by @handjonathan Original: Advance Steel Officially in Maintenance Mode (dead??) ]

[Drawtech]

Wow, what a bullshit article.  Autodesk really haven't got a clue about steel detailing or the vital role steel detailers play have they!

...current BIM project:

Nothing the architect/engineer provide in their models works for the stairs and other secondary steel we are detailing.  Main steel support in unsuitable positions or levels or non existing.  Architects walls not aligning with slab edges when they should be. Insufficient hand rail clearances to walls or other main steel.  ...the list goes on.

We've had to change stair & landing widths and wells to make things fit to regulation.

...so, what happens if no steel detailing involved huh?  Just fabricate a pile of crap from a Revit model that won't work?

...and what about the fabricator's preferences and abilities to reduce costs?

Plate/flat sizes, bolt types/assemblies/lengths, connections easy to fab/erect, proprietary items like hand rail fittings etc.  Again the list goes on.

Engineers or architects can't make suitable fabrication models in Revit or in anything else and they never will.

Detailers can't use Revit as it's not up to the job.

There will ALWAYS be a need for good detailing software. 

By the looks of it, Autodesk just shelved theirs and it's only half done.

So glad I kept my perpetual AS licence and feel gutted for you guys on subscriptions!

[acbsdesign]

@Julio_Soto 

This all is a non-sense, isn't it?

[acbsdesign]

Relying on other developers one says "we thought we fixed this" or the other tried to make it work in the past and it did not succeed-please-give us a break.

[Julio_Soto]

I'm currently working on a project where we have Revit model. We are laying things out per the model and the archtect says the model is not accurate. Okay....?  We RFI some dimensions. When we finally get it, the walls need to move like 6+ inches.  AutoDesk wants me to work in that environment? My industry has tolerances 1/16" while architects are content to be within a few inches. Revit is just not that accurate of a piece of software. 

[s_hannemann]

Hi,

"

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I have never read a statement that is so stupid.

Okay english is not my native language but if u call statements statements and say these statements are useless why do u call them statements. Why are u even talking?

At the moment i hope they dont ruin AS any further. Will see 🙂

[Julio_Soto]

AutoDesk when they change their minds

[acbsdesign]

An older generation salesperson said recently, "Some will go with the change, some will not" or something similar.

The problem is not if we want to go with the "change", but if is it reasonable for us to go with Revit. 

The approach is totally wrong, there is nothing innovative. 

Nothing to be admired.

[sdonohoedesign]

Revit will never be able to detail steelwork to a reasonable standard.  ADSK do not have the ability to build it, they don't understand what detailers need and they don't have the inclination to learn either.

It will only be a matter of time before AS is retired and subscribers will have to learn another new programme. 

Perpetual licences will be producing work for many years to come though.....  

Taken from the corporate jargon, this made me chuckle.  I think 'automatic' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.........

[george1985]

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@Drawtech wrote:

So glad I kept my perpetual AS licence and feel gutted for you guys on subscriptions!

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Hi @Drawtech . Which was the last Advance Steel version with perpetual license?

[Drawtech]

I’m on AS 2022 – forever (well until I retire)!
…with zero fees! 😊
Not sure if AS 2023 may have slipped in for some depending on renewal dates.

[Flies-Eyes]

AdS can build information for project delivery better than RVT, yet autodesk don't consider AdS to be a BIM process.  My guess is the article was written by Chat gtp....

[acbsdesign]

AI would create better article.

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[andrewWCZBN]

Whilst I'm not sure i believe it myself, is it possible Autodesk may do something positive with this? 

Advance steel has some issues, which may be so integral that they cannot be rectified with the current setup, (the document manager springs to mind!). 

If they can bring advance steel functionality and accuracy to Revit in some way it could be an improvement? 

Maybe I'm being a little optimistic but I'm just tying to work out how i can avoid switching to Tekla 😂

[george1985]

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@Drawtech wrote:
I’m on AS 2022 – forever (well until I retire)!
…with zero fees! 😊
Not sure if AS 2023 may have slipped in for some depending on renewal dates.

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Wow, I didn't know AS perpetual license was available up until 2022! Good for you!

[Flies-Eyes]

I would suggest enough detailers have beta tested that enough to put that theory to bed. Revit has fundamental issues just as AdS has its fundamental flaws.

[sdonohoedesign]

Only issue with AS2022 is that you need to sign in and activate the programme online to be able to work.

You can guarantee that Autodesk will look to 'retire' this access in future. 

[Totec_MW]

Well that's rather disappointing. Not exactly surprising though, given that many users have been questioning Autodesk's commitment to AS for some time. I really don't want to have to transition to Revit. Past attempts have shown that it really isn't a good fit for our company and the type of work we do.

[george1985]

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@sdonohoedesign wrote:

Only issue with AS2022 is that you need to sign in and activate the programme online to be able to work.

You can guarantee that Autodesk will look to 'retire' this access in future. 

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Hi @sdonohoedesign . Thank you for this information. Was AS2021 without this online login? Which version of AS was the latest one, without online login?

[tekenbureel.denolf]

I got 2018 but the latest versions are more stable. i hate it to go back. and i paid this month a 3year subscription...
I also have a Tekla licence so i got 3 y to go to the other side