Tube and pipe styles disappeared

[Anonymous]

When I opened the model this morning to add new pipes, I saw that all my tube and pipe styles disappeared from the model. I can still see the pipes and routes created with the styles but there is absolutely no styles in the list of tube and pipe styles. If I open any other model in the project all is normal, for some reason it only appears to be a problem in one specific model. What can I do to get the styles back? I would prefer if i could get a remedy instead of recreating the model from scratch.

I have also exported all my styles from one assembly and imported it into the assembly giving problems, the software told me the styles are imported but the styles window shows blank, i.e. it shows that there is no styles.

Anybody have any suggestions.

Reagrds,

Brett

[Anonymous]

I had and still have exactly the same problem since this morning. Did you get a solution?

I tried to create new styles so that I could assign them to the existing routes so that Inventor could rebuild the runs with those styles. After creating 4 styles Inventor rejected to copy new styles. After deleting one style Inventor rejected also to create new styles.

I also tried to get a previous version from the Vault but I kept the same problem. Edited by: Arjan.wever on Jan 16, 2009 2:44 PM

[ruth-chunhua.hu]

Hi Brett,

Which Inventor version and OS does your issue occur to? Could you provide some detail info about context operation for your data?If possible, could you give me your data? So that I can help to do further investigation.

Also, here one workaround, you could try and see whether it works.
1. To pipe run level, copy and paste the one route
2. Return to the top assembly, save this assembly.
3. To pipe run level, RMB the copied route and select Make Adaptive. After finishing successfully, you could see the copied route become adaptive, and its style should be showed.

Let me know if you have any issue.

Thanks,
-Ruth Hu(Autodesk)

[Anonymous]

Sorry For the late reply.

Had a weekend in the middle of this. Thank you for your suggestions, I will give them a try. I havent yet found a soloution, but hoping these suggestions will help me. I will post weather or not they worked tomorrow. We In south Africa are a bit out of time compared to you guys.

Regards,

Brett

[jweiss1313]

Hi Ruth,

We just had two Inventor Pro 2010 assemblies where the tube and pipe styles disappeared.  Were you ever able to find out what causes this problem and do you have a fix for it?  These are the first two Inventor assemblies where we used tube and pipe and we are dissappointed that our style just vanished.  I tried to import all the styles at once and even thought I get a message that says it worked, I still have no styles.  I seem to be able to import one style at a time though.

I'm hoping you can help us out here to get these style back.  This occured on one or our top end x64 Windows 7 machines, but I get the same result opeing the file on my x32 Windows XP machine.

Thanks.

John Weiss

CAD Administrator

Follett Corp

Inventor Professional 2010 SP3

Dell Precision T7500 workstation with 12 GB RAM

[Dan_Margulius]

Hello,

I also have this problem with version 2010.

OS is XP 64 bit with all service packs and bonus pack installed.

Sometimes opening the previous version helps but not always.

Thank you,

Dan 

[oldgrey1]

I just experienced the same problem and found a way to recover.

Here is a summary of what I tried:

1. According to a response from an Autodesk person, that advice was to do the copy, paste and save of a pipe Run then to make it adaptive etc. This didn't restore the styles.
2. Another idea was to export / import styles e.g. create a new assembly with Tube & Pipe and export the default styles, or scrounge around in older versions of the project to export known working styles etc etc. and import these in to the corrupt assembly. Tried that but it was far from workable - issues were that the styles had to be saved in to a new or different category to the defaults.The default categories were all corrupt. You needed to save the styles in to a newly / differently named Category as shown in Figure 2 (attached pdf). However, I could not spawn any new styles from this - it would not allow a copy of the style in order to edit and create a further one. It would be way too cumbersome to now import each new style from somewhere else. This lead me to believe that there was a corrupt file that needed to be flushed.
3. Another approach was then to flush all of the folders under AIP > Tube and Pipe, create a new Tube and Pipes instance in the history tree in the work space of the troublesome assembly and then re-populate the Runs folders with the folders which have the pipe runs and parts and routes. This will work if you have NO earlier back up of the entire Project folders stored elsewhere. It is a long process but appeared bullet-proof(?)
4. And finally, after discovering 3, above to work I went back and tried replacing the suspected corrupt iam file only - and it solved the problem - this assumes that you kept earlier instances of the Project and renamed them - in order to find a working copy of the file that we need.

If you need a more detailed account of the above then the attached pdf describes it more fully. (You still need to know Inventor to follow the description.)

Good Tube and Pipe help / advice seems hard to come by so hopefully this contributes to solving your problem. 

 

What causes the corruption?? - no idea!

[Anonymous]

I have this problem too.  I'm using Inventor 2011, Windows 7 64-bit.

I believe I lost my styles when I deleted a run that I wanted to re-create.  Not only was the run deleted, but all the info in my Tube and Pipe Style. 

Now I get the error message "Edit Style Failed" when I try to select a different style.

I am also stuck because I can't add any new pipe runs.  Whenever I click on "Route", I get the error message "Failed to invoke command".  Not sure where to go from here, starting again is not an option.

[oldgrey1]

Do you save & rename prior versions of your project folder? What you need is an earlier version of the project before this error occurred. Then you can recover and replace the corrupt tube & pipe file as described in the previous post.

You probably now get blank styles - i.e. no styles.

If the whole route has gone it seems even more imperative to go back to an earlier version of the project to recover files & folders. The route/s is just a collection of parts and an assembly - the iam file gets corrupted and there is little that one can do to make it right.

[Anonymous]

I ran into this problem yesterday.  I'm looking at an assembly that needs more tube and pipe runs but none are available, and I can't import any.  I'm using Autodesk Professional 2012 SP1 on a 64-bit Vista box.

This bug has existed for more than 3 years now - and *that* is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I ran into this a couple of weeks ago - this is what worked for me:

- I saved the file locally

- deleted the tube and pipe runs

- saved and quit inventor.

- manually deleted any locally saved, pertinent tube files

- started inventor, opened the assembly

- started a new tube and pipe run and redid all the work that I'd just deleted.

I'm embarassed at how much time I wasted trying to import tube and pipe styles into the assembly.   Then again - it's a big assembly and there's a lot of work involved with the tube and pipe stuff.

( - about the bug thing - the longevity of bugs in Inventor is becoming legendary...)

[dloganbill]

We just had this occur on one of our assemblies as well.  Apparently the bug is still present in the 2013 software.

Deleting the pipe, saving, and restarting IV worked for us too.

Any explainations as to what might be causing this?  Or methods to prevent this?

[Dan_Margulius]

Hi

Did you delete the pipe entirely? and started from scratch?

Can you post the defected files here. I want to send them to AD so they can figure this out.

Thanks,

Dan

[oldgrey1]

I have just experienced the problem of the styles disappearing. I could still work in routing – add, edit etc – only all the colors had reverted to default material and on opening a pipe say, there were no style options to select from. The same had occurred for Framework – all the steelwork reverted to default color. If I opened the Tube & Pipe Styles, the styles & colors were correct  for each pipe size I had set up – just that the pull-downs to change e.g. color – were greyed out.

I went to Project settings and under “Use Style Library =” (for that Project) I set it to Read Only. (It had somehow set itself to “No”).  Save and close the Project window.

I opened the project assy. in question and all was still set to default color. "Re-build" did not work. To sort out the pipe styles I opened each pipe style (in T&P Styles) and set the color to another color (the select was available now) and saved. The pipe colors changed to the new color so I changed the color back to the color I had originally selected. Done.

Not sure why it would not refresh by itself.

Concerning the framework styles, I had to go in to the assy. (sub assy. of the main assy. that I was in) and using Framework Generator, I edited the colors to the color that I wanted. (The members were all set to default  / material color). Fortunately I could multi-select similar sized members and bulk set their color to what I wanted. (A warning message alerted me to a hazard if I selected all members - all sizes & shapes - in one go.)

However, when I went back to the top level assy. it still showed the steelwork in the default grey color. Rebuild etc. did not help. Fortunately all my steel was in the same color, so in that top level assy, I selected the Framework of the sub assy. in the history tree and set the color to my chosen color. (From the top menu color pull-down)

[Anonymous]

Hello,

it seems the problem with the corrupt piping runs.iam and loosing styles occurs also on Inv 2014.

Has anyone a solution for this problem?

[cbenner]

People have been complaining about this "bug" now since 2009.... I'm wondering if anyone has ever sent a data set to Autodesk which exhibits this "bug", so that the developers can verify whether it is an actual programming bug or just a workflow idiosyncrosy? (spelling?)

I'v enever experienced this myself, so I can't comment on the possible cause.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it isn't a bug... just wondering if that's ever been truly evaluated and verified... before we complain that it hasn't been fixed.

[Anonymous]

I also don´t know, but according to a post on page one of this discussion (03-17-2011 08:18 PM in reply to: Dan.M. According to a response from an Autodesk person,...) someone has already reported to Autodesk.

Do you know if Autodesk has provided an option to report such cases directly to them?

Please excuse my bad grammar, i am not an native speaker in english.

[cbenner]

If you are a Subscription customer you can open a tech support case, and the will look into the problem.  Sending a data set always helps.

[Anonymous]

Okay, thank you!

[jweiss1313]

Spoiler

I submitted a support case against this in 2010.  Here is the response from Autodesk.

Dear John Weiss,
Autodesk development has confirmed the product issue requires a product modification to resolve. Further analysis to determine when and how the product modification will be made available still needs to be determined.
Best regards,
Autodesk Support Team

Look like the issue either re-appeared or was never fixed.

Here is the work around Autodesk emailed to me:

Hi John,
I’ve been asked to review your case of the missing Tube and Pipe styles and I will be handling from this point forward. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I’ve review the files and or database and this is a known issue that QA and Development are working on addressing. The reason for this hasn’t been determined at this point. There is however two options to revive the styles listing. This assumes that if you create a new iam and create a tube run all your styles are there.
1. Delete the top level Tube & Pipe Run assembly from the browser. Save the file, close and re-open then the styles should be visible again.
2. To edit a style or revive one. The styles are still there but they’re not listing correctly. Create a new style in the category like Rigid Pipe with Fittings, Tubing and Bends or Flexible hose. The select the same components for the library that were used in the original. You may want to have a clean iam with tube and pipe open so you can get the style correct. I can’t garrentte this one to work all the time I’ve had mixed results. The first one is the only reliable option I’ve found.
When I hear anything from QA and Development I’ll let you know.
Regards,
Charlie Mercer
Product Support Specialist

Give a try and see if you can fix this.  Good luck!