Sub-assemblies.

[Austruct]

Sub-assemblies.

It would be advantageous if we could have sub-assemblies, so that a series of sub-assemblies can be fabricated/constructed prior to assembling on a main/primary assembly.   

A primary assembly would need to be assigned and then its attaching sub-assemblies would be associated with the primary assembly in the model.

This functionality could also be used for complex welded assemblies which can be broken down into sub-assemblies for clarity.    

“Assemblies and additional elements” process, by selecting the items at the detailing stage has the potential to introduce human error if not all components are selected. We require this Sub-assembly feature to be applied in the model so it can be assigned and check within the modelling process. In a lot of cases the detailer is not the same person who modelled the project, which means they would need prior knowledge of how to assemble these assemblies together.  

[ChristianBlei]

Hi,

I agree.

The question is how many level of groups are necessary. Sytems like inventor do not have any limits there.

To implement a hierarchy would make Advance Steel a better toolbox. Other Steel CAD systems have this feature.

Christian Blei

[ChristianBlei]

Hi,

I would not only use sub assemblies, but allow multi level assemblies- as in inventor or other CAD systems. These mutli level assemblies should get marked on every level, also every level of an assembly may get used and exported/ imported as a special part- could be an ordered part, or a prefabricated component on stock. There will be new BOM templates need that reflect these multi level structure assemblies. An so on.

Please comment.

BR,

Christian Blei 

[haedicu]

We will be further evaluating this one in the near future and will keep you posted if we need any additional feedback or clarification. Please feel free to continue voting on this one as it will help us with the continued evaluation.

[haedicu]

We will be further evaluating this one in the near future and will keep you posted if we need any additional feedback or clarification. Please feel free to continue voting on this one as it will help us with the continued evaluation.

[johnjmbennett]

For this, some form of different connection method needs to be created, link for example welds need option for sub assembly , above site and shop opinions. Same for bolts 

as you can have a bolted assembly that is then bolted to another bolted assembly.

the sub assembly connection type , needs to trigger an numbering opition to link the. Objects grouped as a series of sub assemblies to one main assembly. Once numbering / grouping established, then mods to drawing system required to allow for sub assemblies an assemblies.  Tokens in drawing titles and also labels and page header to allow indentification for drawings and cross links between assembly and sub assembly.

numbering method needs sub assembly opition.

[rahulmhaskar20]

Hi,

This feature would be too helpful if its implemented in creating drawings as well so that we can choose to make drawing of an entire model or an assembly within a model or an assembly within an assembly.

Hope to see this feature soon.

Rahul.

P.S: How do I vote for the ideas?

[ChristianBlei]

Hi Rahul,

you just have to use the "Vote up" button on the upper left side of the idea.

Christian

[rahulmhaskar20]

Hi ChristianBlei,

That was so silly of me :p. Thanks anyway!

[rahulmhaskar20]

As ChristianBlei said, having a hierarchy or a model tree as in Inventor would help a lot. Also there can be a feature where if an instance of an assembly is changed and there are a lot of same ones in the model, all of the instances change. Suppose the thickness of a plate in one instance of the assembly is changed, the plate thickness changes in all the instances of the assembly.

[aj]

This feature would be extremely helpful plus keep fabrication on the shop floor flowing much smoother.

If it were possible just and choose when creating a WELD weather it is done 1st, or 2nd 3rd and so now.

For example say we have a beam with stiffener plates welded down both sides, we would then choose the

WELD on the stiffener plates as "1st".

Now this beam will be one part of a large skid the WELDS connecting this beam to the other beams in the skid would be WELD "2nd".

Now all parts that have WELD 1st become sub assemblies those can now be done in small welding station, where as all the 

WELD 2nd would be made up of all sub assemblies into the Main part or assembly. Splitting up the drawings from single parts, sub assemblies, main parts, would make a world of difference!  

[Anonymous]

Guys,

You can use the create joint in a joint group and multiple group commands to add several joints into a group. The group has a "master" joint (or you can chose any in the group to become master) which controls the properties for the entire group. This is useful for hole geometry in plates etc. in a joint that is used multiple times. 

But agreed I've just been explaining to someone how a tree would be useful !

[Anonymous]

Hi guys!

It would be nice to be able to have more then 2 levels to AS elements. Currently there is part and main part.

However, there is a need in the shop to sometimes assemble assemblies in sub assemblies and it would be awesome to be able to create drawings in that sense.

So just like the assemblies can be associated to phases, within assemblies it would very useful to be able to segment those into sub-assemblies then illustrate the complete assembly with the different sub-assemblies within... So we could generate 3 drawings if necessary and allow further break down of fabrication directly in the 3D model.

Thanks!

[horstbauer6692]

We are missing a functionality to create subassmeblies under assemblies.

Sometimes we have projects with exiting parts which will be reused.

So we will weld at site or in workshop some items (assemblies) to this existing structures.

For the mechanic it will be easier to see in assembly-drawing which assemblies are new.

At least we will have drawings for

- single parts

- assemblies

and

- subassemblies

and also tables for this.

[horstbauer6692]

Hello Pascal,

We have a similar wish:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/advance-steel-ideas/subassemblys/idi-p/7758209

Please vote it in the hope that something happens.

Greetings

Horst Bauer

[horstbauer6692]

At the moment we're trying to do this with "Hauptteil und zusätzliche Teile" (I don't know the english name).

Nevertheless, it would be easier to do this with a process. 

My suggestion is to create a process with "Hauptteil und zusätzliche Teile" where all parts with the role "Reused" are automatically chosen by Advance Steel and all at site welded parts. Unfortunately this is not possible at the moment.

[nial.ball]

Absolutely agree with this idea. I have a classic project of platform modules made up of bolted sub-assemblies. I need the modules numbered as the main assembly but each components must have a sub-assembly number. I have managed it using two models - one for each numbering requirement.

[Anonymous]

Complete agreement here! The Assembly (and Sub) is a basic unit of Steel detailing, how is it not already implemented, or at least ON THE ROAD MAP?! Having a collection of parts with a Mainpart is no where near the same as having an Assembly, and makes a huge difference in managing the process of detailing and Fabrication, as well as accessing and formatting data in a usable manner.

[sei-dwilson]

PLEASE IMPLEMENT SUB-ASSEMBLIES!

[daniel.orchardYBVSY]

I agree this is a fundamental need for any steel detailing software. (Tekla does this very well and can even have (I think) up to 9 levels of sub assembly hierarchy - it is also a very simple operation - select the assembly you want to add as a sub assembly, right click and select "add to assembly" and select the assembly you want to add the sub assembly to)

[Austruct]

@pawelpiechnik 7 YEARS OLD AND NOT IMPLEMENTED