ObjectDCL is going open source

[Anonymous]

Hi, over the last while you might have know that I have been unable to work on ObjectDCL due to a severe medical condition. For this I must apologize. I have decided that since I cannot put the energy in that it deserves, I am going to post ObjectDCL as an open source project on www.sourceforge.net. Anyone will be able to download the compiled software and anyone will be able to sign in and contribute to its further development. Essentially ObjectDCL will become a community development project.

Thanks everyone, Chad Wanless

[Anonymous]

I have been watching the www.sourceforge.net site but have not found anything as yet on ObjectDCL. Does anyone know when this will be available. Has a group been setup to support this or is it more of and ad hoc type of support system?

Thanks Chad for you generosity,

Ron

[Anonymous]

Hi I have the sourceforge.net objectdcl site up now. I have not uploaded the files as of yet. I will try to do that by Monday or Tuesday Aug. 14 or 15

Thanks Chad

[Anonymous]

Hi Sounds interesting, what did you have in mind?

Thanks Chad

[Anonymous]

thx Chad,
Can you post a link to the site, so we'll know where to watch?

thx again.

[Anonymous]

> Hi Sounds interesting, what did you have in mind?

Hi Chad
I think that it is right that
if you give us something
we must give you something.

But for me it is not possible organize this things,
for a lot of reasons that I prefer do not explain here.

But if someone wants improve this idea
(preferably deciding everything with you),
I'm ready to give my contribution.

Get well soon.

ciao
domenico

[Anonymous]

Chad, I haven't been able to find any ObjectDCL sites on SourceForge.net as yet. Can you post a link or give us an update on both the status of ObjectDCL and your self?

Thanks,
Ron

[Anonymous]

it's out.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/objectdcl/

[Anonymous]

Greetings to all,

As you already know by now,
ObjectDCL has been sold.

It is a fact.

Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and legal rights
of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal agreement
signed between the two parties.

This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of ObjectDCL.

www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL

Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.

Sincerly,



Andrea Andreetti
President DuctiSOFT inc.

[Anonymous]

How is this possible as ObjectDCL had already been released under the
GPL (according to the sourceforge page)? I suspect that there will be
little good will towards a company that intends to re-close the source
and charge for the code.

~g


CADz wrote:
> Greetings to all,
>
> As you already know by now,
> ObjectDCL has been sold.
>
> It is a fact.
>
> Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
> Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and legal rights
> of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal agreement
> signed between the two parties.
>
> This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of ObjectDCL.
>
> www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
> allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL
>
> Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
> Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.
>
> Sincerly,
>
>
>
> Andrea Andreetti
> President DuctiSOFT inc.

[Anonymous]

Gregory S. Lyons wrote:
> How is this possible as ObjectDCL had already been released under the
> GPL (according to the sourceforge page)? I suspect that there will be
> little good will towards a company that intends to re-close the source
> and charge for the code.
>
> ~g
>
>
> CADz wrote:
>
>>Greetings to all,
>>
>>As you already know by now,
>>ObjectDCL has been sold.
>>
>>It is a fact.
>>
>>Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
>>Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and legal rights
>>of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal agreement
>>signed between the two parties.
>>
>>This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of ObjectDCL.
>>
>>www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
>>allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL
>>
>>Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
>>Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.
>>
>>Sincerly,
>>
>>
>>
>>Andrea Andreetti
>>President DuctiSOFT inc.


Well, I'm not a layer, but seems to me that they can do with their code
what they want, but the version already released under GPL remains that
way as they can't rescind that. So, the question is whether there is
interest in maintaining the GPL version separately from the commercial
version.

--

[Anonymous]

Hi Martti,

This is just for fun, of course you are not a layer, you are not even a
lawyer :)))

Regards,

Constantin


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Gregory S. Lyons wrote:
> How is this possible as ObjectDCL had already been released under the
> GPL (according to the sourceforge page)? I suspect that there will be
> little good will towards a company that intends to re-close the source
> and charge for the code.
>
> ~g
>
>
> CADz wrote:
>
>>Greetings to all,
>>
>>As you already know by now,
>>ObjectDCL has been sold.
>>
>>It is a fact.
>>
>>Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
>>Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and
>>legal rights
>>of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal
>>agreement
>>signed between the two parties.
>>
>>This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of
>>ObjectDCL.
>>
>>www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
>>allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL
>>
>>Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
>>Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.
>>
>>Sincerly,
>>
>>
>>
>>Andrea Andreetti
>>President DuctiSOFT inc.


Well, I'm not a layer, but seems to me that they can do with their code
what they want, but the version already released under GPL remains that
way as they can't rescind that. So, the question is whether there is
interest in maintaining the GPL version separately from the commercial
version.

--

[Anonymous]

I hope you didn't pay too much for it.

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wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Greetings to all,

As you already know by now,
ObjectDCL has been sold.

It is a fact.

Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and legal rights
of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal agreement
signed between the two parties.

This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of ObjectDCL.

www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL

Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.

Sincerly,



Andrea Andreetti
President DuctiSOFT inc.

[Anonymous]

Hi CADz. after a bit of reading, let me tell you
that you have been taken for a ride.

Chad Wanless has sold the rights to something
that he has released under GPL licensing. By
doing so, Chad has breached the terms of that
license, which means that anyone that may have
made investements in furthering development of
the open source project, probably has sufficient
grounds to bring a legal claim against him.

Its a fact.

--
http://www.caddzone.com

AcadXTabs: MDI Document Tabs for AutoCAD 2004/2005/2006/2007
http://www.acadxtabs.com

wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Greetings to all,

As you already know by now,
ObjectDCL has been sold.

It is a fact.

Martin Leduc P.E. and I, Andrea Andreetti,
Are founders of DuctiSOFT inc. and are now owners of all legitimate and legal rights
of this product created by M. Chad Wanless, according to the legal agreement
signed between the two parties.

This transaction is to ensure the survival and proper operation of ObjectDCL.

www.DuctiSOFT.com will be available shortly and will
allow you to download the new official version of ObjectDCL

Thanks again M. Chad Wanless.
Hoping you will enjoy the upcoming version.

Sincerly,



Andrea Andreetti
President DuctiSOFT inc.

[Anonymous]

Tony,
Chad can do whatever he likes with is code. He can release it under the GPL and sell it to any companies he wants. "His" code however is whatever he had prior to releasing it under the GPL. DuctiSOFT can sell the pre-GPL code in any way they like, but cannot use contributed code unless it is GPL'd as well. If DuctiSOFT closes the source and uses GPL code, that's where it becomes illegal. Martti is correct about the important question being whether or not to continue development on the GPL version if the DuctiSOFT version is closed source. I am not a lawyer, and if I'm wrong about any of this I'd be happy to find out.

Tavis

[Anonymous]

Tavis:

Your explanation is exactly correct. DuctiSOFT apparently purchased
rights to the original ObjectDCL source code from Chad Wanless, which would
mean their rights to that source code are unencumbered by the GPL license
that the OpenDCL project is operating under. I have no information about
this, but they may also have purchased rights to use the "ObjectDCL"
trademark, which is not covered by the GPL. In any case, the open source
OpenDCL project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/opendcl) is alive and well
and it will continue to evolve as long as the user community actively
supports it. 🙂
--
Owen Wengerd
President, ManuSoft ==> http://www.manusoft.com
VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. ==> http://www.cadlock.com

[Anonymous]

Sorry, and apologies to Chad.

When I wrote that, I was under the assumption that
the open source project was pulled, and no longer
available to the public.

IOW, I didn't know about "OpenDCL" when I wrote
that, which of course, changes everything.

And, just to clarify, selling ObjectDCL to anyone is
not a breach of the GPL. Removing the project and
the source from public availability, would have been.

One other point of note, is that while the original
source may have been sold to (who?), they are still
free to incorporate subsequent work from the open
source project into their derivative, which I find
a bit troubling.

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wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Tony,
Chad can do whatever he likes with is code. He can release it under the GPL and sell it to any companies he wants. "His" code however is whatever he had prior to releasing it under the GPL. DuctiSOFT can sell the pre-GPL code in any way they like, but cannot use contributed code unless it is GPL'd as well. If DuctiSOFT closes the source and uses GPL code, that's where it becomes illegal. Martti is correct about the important question being whether or not to continue development on the GPL version if the DuctiSOFT version is closed source. I am not a lawyer, and if I'm wrong about any of this I'd be happy to find out.

Tavis

[Anonymous]

Tony:

> ... they are still free to incorporate subsequent work from
> the open source project into their derivative, which I find a
> bit troubling.

Just to clarify, they (and anyone else) are free to incorporate the open
source code into a derivative product only if they also publish the
derivative product's source code under the GPL.

BTW, if you check the OpenDCL credits you'll notice that the original
ObjectDCL code incorporated copyrighted source code from a number of open
sources. At least a few of these sources allow their code to be used only
for non-commercial or open source software. The original ObjectDCL code did
not even credit these sources, so it's doubtful that the code was used with
permission. If this is true, even software based on the original ObjectDCL
source code may not be sold as a commercial application so long as the
offending code is used without a license. 🙂
--
Owen Wengerd
President, ManuSoft ==> http://www.manusoft.com
VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. ==> http://www.cadlock.com

[Anonymous]

Hi Owen. Thanks for the clarification.

I've had little-to-no exposure to ObjectDCL,
so don't know much about its origins.

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"Owen Wengerd" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Tony:

> ... they are still free to incorporate subsequent work from
> the open source project into their derivative, which I find a
> bit troubling.

Just to clarify, they (and anyone else) are free to incorporate the open
source code into a derivative product only if they also publish the
derivative product's source code under the GPL.

BTW, if you check the OpenDCL credits you'll notice that the original
ObjectDCL code incorporated copyrighted source code from a number of open
sources. At least a few of these sources allow their code to be used only
for non-commercial or open source software. The original ObjectDCL code did
not even credit these sources, so it's doubtful that the code was used with
permission. If this is true, even software based on the original ObjectDCL
source code may not be sold as a commercial application so long as the
offending code is used without a license. 🙂
--
Owen Wengerd
President, ManuSoft ==> http://www.manusoft.com
VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. ==> http://www.cadlock.com

[Anonymous]

Hi all..

the New ObjectDCL2007 7.0 is released !!
and can be downloaded from HERE !

;-)

[Anonymous]

I just wish that Andrea would finally step up and give me the version of Sduct that works with 2007 and newer, that he promised me back when 2007 came out.