VB.net and C#.net together?

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I am looking to learn both, but over a grand for Visual Studio doesn't seem like an appropriate way to do it. Has anyone here used the standard version of either of these languages? Can you install them both without problems? Am I going to be missing anything important, especially with regards to Acad development? Thanks, Gordon

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I'm almost certain you can download a trial version from the Visual Studio .NET site. At least you can get a feel for the software for a month or so. I would also take some books out of the library and do some reading before I did anything else. Of course your choices should also be based on other criteria such as your experience with previous incarnations of these languages. I personally feel that the bundle you get with VS .NET is well worth the 'grand'. I have previous versions of both software packages. I've made the mistake of purchasing the products individually before realizing what Visual Studio package was. Since I didn't upgrade those old packages but rather bought them outright your welcome to one of the CD's if you want it. Contact me if your interested in the older versions. If you have your heart set on .NET you may not want to bother. Best regards, Dale "Gordon Price" wrote in message news:3fe8cc35$1_5@statler... > I am looking to learn both, but over a grand for Visual Studio doesn't seem > like an appropriate way to do it. Has anyone here used the standard version > of either of these languages? Can you install them both without problems? Am > I going to be missing anything important, especially with regards to Acad > development? > > Thanks, > Gordon > >

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"Dale Levesque" wrote in message news:3fe8d1fc$1_7@statler... > I'm almost certain you can download a trial version from the Visual Studio > .NET site. At least you can get a feel for the software for a month or so. I > would also take some books out of the library and do some reading before I > did anything else. Of course your choices should also be based on other > criteria such as your experience with previous incarnations of these > languages. I personally feel that the bundle you get with VS .NET is well > worth the 'grand'. I have previous versions of both software packages. I've > made the mistake of purchasing the products individually before realizing > what Visual Studio package was. Since I didn't upgrade those old packages > but rather bought them outright your welcome to one of the CD's if you want > it. Contact me if your interested in the older versions. If you have your > heart set on .NET you may not want to bother. Dale, thanks for the info. I have some VB/VBA experience, and with the writing on the wall I want to learn VB.net. That said, I have heard that VB.net is different enough from VB6 that it is worth thinking about learning C# instead. As for pricing, I am working the office into the idea of more in-house development, and I figure a cost of just over $200 is an easier sell than over a grand, especially since they don't yet appreciate the value. If I can do some cool things this year I would budget Visual Studio upgrade for next year and probably get the OK. Best, Gordon

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Gordon, If all you want is to get an IDE that works and allows you to learn the new languages maybe try this: http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx It is free and open source! Microsoft made the C# and VB.NET languages free to the public...all you need to develop in either of these languages is the .NET SDK. The downside is that you have to code EVERYTHING!!! Plus side is that you learn the ins and outs of the laguage. I agree with Dale though, if you can...get the VS.NET Professional. Thanks, Ron "Gordon Price" wrote in message news:3fe8cc35$1_5@statler... > I am looking to learn both, but over a grand for Visual Studio doesn't seem > like an appropriate way to do it. Has anyone here used the standard version > of either of these languages? Can you install them both without problems? Am > I going to be missing anything important, especially with regards to Acad > development? > > Thanks, > Gordon > >

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Ronnie Wilkins, Jr. wrote: > If all you want is to get an IDE that works and allows you to learn > the new languages maybe try this: I tried really hard to like that product but it's too buggy, lacks features and has a painfully long cycle between releases. Any of the Microsoft IDEs make a much better choice, especially when you consider the standard versions of each only cost $99. -- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. http://code.acadx.com (Pull the pin to reply)

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Gordon Price wrote: > I am looking to learn both, but over a grand for Visual Studio > doesn't seem like an appropriate way to do it. Has anyone here used > the standard version of either of these languages? Can you install > them both without problems? Am I going to be missing anything > important, especially with regards to Acad development? While I don't know if they can be installed side by side, I do know that your ability to develop for AutoCAD will remain uneffectec by your choice of Standard or Professional. As for learning two languages at once: why? The .NET Framework is huge and represents a major paradigm shift for VB/A programmers. That alone is reason enough to choose one language or another. Frankly, I'd recommend you start with C# so as to avoid the confusing "looks the same but acts different" syndrome many VB programmers are running into. If you choose VB.NET, forget everything you ever learned and smack yourself when you find yourself thinking "this is just like VB". I got tired of whooping myself so I switched camps. ;) -- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. http://code.acadx.com (Pull the pin to reply)

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> languages. I personally feel that the bundle you get with VS .NET is well > worth the 'grand'. I have previous versions of both software packages. I've > made the mistake of purchasing the products individually before realizing For about the same price, you might as well pick up a MSDN Professional level subscription. $1199 w/$110 rebate for DVD media ($899 renewal- upgrade) -- Darren J. Young CAD/CAM Systems Developer Cold Spring Granite Company 202 South Third Avenue Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320 Email: dyoung@coldspringgranite.com Phone: (320) 685-5045 Fax: (320) 685-5052

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If you're going for a totally new language why not try C++? All you need is a text editor, a good tutorial, a compiler, and some time. Learn the basics then go out and buy MS C++ to develop for AutoCAD. The best text editor around: http://www.vim.org/ Free C++ tutorial: http://www.programmingtutorials.com/cplusplus.aspx Free Compiler: http://tinyurl.com/3f86g A GPL C++ GUI: (I'm sure there's plenty of other ones but this is the first one that came up in a google search) http://www.bloodshed.net/devcpp.html --------------------- Tim Riley "Gordon Price" wrote in message news:3fe8d6ff$1_3@statler... > > Dale, thanks for the info. I have some VB/VBA experience, and with the > writing on the wall I want to learn VB.net. That said, I have heard that > VB.net is different enough from VB6 that it is worth thinking about learning > C# instead. As for pricing, I am working the office into the idea of more > in-house development, and I figure a cost of just over $200 is an easier > sell than over a grand, especially since they don't yet appreciate the > value. If I can do some cool things this year I would budget Visual Studio > upgrade for next year and probably get the OK. > > Best, > Gordon > >

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Tim Riley wrote: > If you're going for a totally new language why not try C++? And as long as you're getting teeth cleaned, why not get a root canal? Seriously though, C++ is a whole other level of programming requiring formal study and lots of time. Then you get to stack the ObjectARX API on top of all that. That's entirely too big an investment for all but professional programmers and avid hobbyists. -- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. http://code.acadx.com (Pull the pin to reply)

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I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything but.....I don't see the point in learning a programming/scripting language that locks you into something. Be it a program or an OS. That's pretty much why I bailed on lisp and went to VBA. At least with VBA I could use it in other MS office applications. By learning any dot net programming language you're locking yourself into the dot net framework and you're also locking yourself into Windows. This might not be a bad thing for you or whoever else, but at my age (23) I still have roughly 50 years of work ahead of me and who knows where I'll be in 5, 10, 20 years. I'd like to be able to tell a potential employer that I have the ability to write code for any platform. And the only way I see to achieve this is through perl, C/C++, PHP, and Java. You are correct however; if you don't have the time to really get into it then it's probably not the best route to take. ------------------- Tim Riley "Frank Oquendo" wrote in message news:3ff1e3df_7@statler... > Tim Riley wrote: > > > If you're going for a totally new language why not try C++? > > And as long as you're getting teeth cleaned, why not get a root canal? > > Seriously though, C++ is a whole other level of programming requiring formal > study and lots of time. Then you get to stack the ObjectARX API on top of > all that. That's entirely too big an investment for all but professional > programmers and avid hobbyists. > > -- > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > don't. > > http://code.acadx.com > (Pull the pin to reply)

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If you're going to rule out .NET, don't do it on this basis. One of the main goals of .NET is to unlock programmers from specific implementations of language and OS. Windows is currently the only desktop OS that I know about with a functioning CLR, but there is a compact runtime available for portable devices such as cell phones and PDA's. There are also opensource projects underway to create managed runtimes for OS's other than windows. It won't surprise me at all to see "professional" managed runtimes created for all of the major OS's sometime in the future. http://www.jasonbock.net/dotnetlanguages.html http://www.go-mono.com/ -- Bobby C. Jones www.AcadX.com "Tim Riley" wrote in message news:3ff2e044$1_1@statler... > I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything but.....I don't see the > point in learning a programming/scripting language that locks you into > something. Be it a program or an OS. That's pretty much why I bailed on lisp > and went to VBA. At least with VBA I could use it in other MS office > applications. > > By learning any dot net programming language you're locking yourself into > the dot net framework and you're also locking yourself into Windows. This > might not be a bad thing for you or whoever else, but at my age (23) I still > have roughly 50 years of work ahead of me and who knows where I'll be in 5, > 10, 20 years. I'd like to be able to tell a potential employer that I have > the ability to write code for any platform. And the only way I see to > achieve this is through perl, C/C++, PHP, and Java. > > You are correct however; if you don't have the time to really get into it > then it's probably not the best route to take. > > ------------------- > Tim Riley > > > "Frank Oquendo" wrote in message > news:3ff1e3df_7@statler... > > Tim Riley wrote: > > > > > If you're going for a totally new language why not try C++? > > > > And as long as you're getting teeth cleaned, why not get a root canal? > > > > Seriously though, C++ is a whole other level of programming requiring > formal > > study and lots of time. Then you get to stack the ObjectARX API on top of > > all that. That's entirely too big an investment for all but professional > > programmers and avid hobbyists. > > > > -- > > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > > don't. > > > > http://code.acadx.com > > (Pull the pin to reply) > >