Vertical reaction bug with soil pressure feature

Vertical reaction bug with soil pressure feature

Simau
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Vertical reaction bug with soil pressure feature

Simau
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Hi,

In this example

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with a soil test:

Gamma 2000 kg/m3

Phi 30° (K=0.333)

f/H = -1

Hand calculation gives :

Rz = 2000 x 6 x 9.81 = 117.72 kN

Rx = 0.333 x 2000 X 6 x 3 x 9.81 = 117.70 kN

Robot results:

Rz = 39.23 kN   !!

Rx =  117.68 kN     OK

M. Agayr
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Rafacascudo
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Hi @Simau 

Loads on both panels are defined in a weird way.

One of the  3p reference points are 6m below the structure.

Define them again and results will be correct

Rafael Medeiros
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Simau
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Hi @Rafacascudo 

I don't think that's the reason.
H being the height of the soil, robot gives by default the pressure at the depth -H.
What i don't understand is why Horizontal reaction is OK, but not the vertical one

M. Agayr
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Rafacascudo
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Well , I never used the "soil pressure..." RSA automatic loading

but,

If load is zero at 6m and 78,45kN/m2 at -6m , then at 0m ,where the 1x1m slab is located, the load is 39,23kN/m2.

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There is no way this being a static analysis mistake by RSA calculation engine.

 

create the loads manually (Planar 3p on the wall , UPL on the slab) on global axes and the result will be correct

Rafael Medeiros
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Simau
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Sol pressure is a nice feature that allows you to apply pressure to differente panels at different levels in one step.
All is ok except for vertical results.
Hope developpement team correct this little bug

M. Agayr
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MartinTrs
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Hi

 

The special load - soil pressure should not be applied to horizontal parts of the structure, because the load contains the pressure coefficient K (in your case K=0,333). This is what causes the error in your calculations

 

With best regards

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Simau
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Hi @MartinTrs 

I know this.
But why, If not possible does Robot apply vertical loads on horizontal panels.
I think it's a little bug, and it's too bad because this feature is really awsome

M. Agayr
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MartinTrs
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Hi @Simau 

 

I disagree, in my opinion this is not a bug, but an intended workflow. In addition, the loads caused by the soil depend on the slope of wall so you also can't apply the same load on inclined walls and have to calculate separate loads for them. Of course it is possible to improve the tool or program a new tool that takes all of this into account and does the calculations of the loads in the background, but honestly I would not trust such tool.

 

With best regards