Seismic Vs Spectral

[Anonymous]

Rafal/Artur,

It seems to me the difference between seismic and spectral analysis in Robot is that;

In SEISMIC analysis;

• Based on the chosen code, seismic analysis works out the response spectrum etc automatically based on the input parameters (region etc).
• The user can set an expected base shear that Robot will limit seismic base shear to.  
• Eccentricity option is available within the seismic options (can leave eccentricity zero in the preceeding modal case)

But using SPECTRAL method;

• I need to define the correct response spectrum;
• I need to apply any eccentricity in the preceeding modal analysis;
• I need to do an initial run, then go back and do a second iteration to apply scaling factors to limit my base shear to the expected value.

Please confirm if my assumptions are correct, feel free to make corrections!

Tony

[Artur.Kosakowski · Accepted solution]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Rafal/Artur,

It seems to me the difference between seismic and spectral analysis in Robot is that;

In SEISMIC analysis;

• Based on the chosen code, seismic analysis works out the response spectrum etc automatically based on the input parameters (region etc).

Correct.

• The user can set an expected base shear that Robot will limit seismic base shear to.  

For selected codes it is possible. For the ones this option is not available you can 'scale' it defining a load combination with the appropriate load factor.

• Eccentricity option is available within the seismic options (can leave eccentricity zero in the preceeding modal case)

Is available in both modal analysis (accurate solution) and seismic case (simplified approach). It is the either / or choice.

But using SPECTRAL method;

• I need to define the correct response spectrum;

Correct

• I need to apply any eccentricity in the preceeding modal analysis;

Correct

• I need to do an initial run, then go back and do a second iteration to apply scaling factors to limit my base shear to the expected value.

Correct

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[Anonymous]

Hi,

i' ve noticed that in spectral analysis the results are influenced by the the damping ratio (controled in the modal analysis menu).

How is this possible?

[Artur.Kosakowski]

Intended for situation when you have two spectra with e.g. 1% and 5 % damping and you want to average them. Then what you type in the modal analysis e.g. 3% influences the way these spectra are averaged.

[Anonymous]

Thank you Artur,

 5% damping will have no influence on the spectrum, is that right?

[Artur.Kosakowski]

According to my knowledge if you do not average spectra the value of damping should be irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Hi,

i have no averaged spectrum, just a single custom spectrum defined from a text file.

Damping (the one controled by the modal analysis menu) seems  to influence the results in an inverse maner, high damping values give high response values.

This behaviour is more clear in systems with many degrees of freedom.

[Artur.Kosakowski]

In such case I need to have a closer look at this situation. Could you send me the rtd file and indicate the differences in results you noticed as well as the corresponding values of damping you set in the parameters of the modal case please?

[Anonymous]

Here it is.

You can try some values of damping (e.g 1%, 50%) in the modal analysis menu and check the the columns Fx reaction.

[Artur.Kosakowski]

As far as I can see the results for single modes and SRSS combinations are the same. The difference is for CQC combinations but this is justified as damping is included in the formula.

http://docs.autodesk.com/RSA/2012/ENU/filesROBOT/GUID-9A9795B9-E2B1-4F70-BC47-FF61A312699-621.htm

[Anonymous]

You are right about the CQC rule, i missed the fact that it's damping dependant.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Hi,

can you please explain ( maybe in a simple example) the last question

I need to do an initial run, then go back and do a second iteration to apply scaling factors to limit my base shear to the expected value.

I am new to spectral analysis, and I dont understand in the second interation how can I apply the  scaling factors and how to get this factors?

Thank you

[Artur.Kosakowski]

You can check the sum of reactions and compare it to the targeted value. This will give you the required scaling factor. Then you can e.g. use the corresponding load factor for given seismic spectral case.

[Anonymous]

That is, check the sum of reactions for the dominant mode in each direction. (not the CQC combo)...

Tony

[Anonymous]

I have a question over the scaling factor for the modal masses that are added in a modal / spectrum analysys ,

With a given spectrum (acceleration spectrum)

Costa Rica Code stablishi  a Seismic Base Shear by

V= W x C,

where C= FED x R, W the seismic mases

Since the Dunamic spectral factor  "FED" comes from the spectrum is correct to suposse that

the scaling factor for modal masses in the RSA Analysys tool is is R?

Best Regards ,

Rodolfo R

[Anonymous]

Hola Rodolfo, dijiste que  sos de Costa Rica? Sera que nos podemos poner en contacto para hacerte algunas preguntas de Robot, mi numero es el 8742179. 

[Anonymous]

Hola mucho Gusto Rodolfo Rodriguez ,

Si tiene alguna consulta , con mucho gusto puede contactarme al correo
rrodriguez@ijlcr.com